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Topic: vegan dreadlocks??
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Stacey
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posted 09-29-102 12:03 PM
hey i wanted to put dreadlocks in my hair, and i wanted to use wax cuz my hair is pretty long and straight and it will probably take forever, but anyways i cant find a wax that doesnt have bee's wax in it or that is animal friendly. does anyone know of any? please email me at bagygrl@aol.com if you do. thanx! PEACE! |
dmt
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posted 09-29-102 01:14 PM
 
well, technically, bees aren't animals, so i wouldn't worry about using beeswax even if you're vegan, i use it, and i'm vegan, but thats just me.... i don't know of any wax other than beeswax i would like to use, the only other waxes i can think of are all petroleum based, and i'm not sure if you'd like to smear parrafin wax in your hair.... if you do decide to use a parrafin wax, here's a tip, warm up the wax until its melted, and then add some hemp seed oil tro make up about a quarter of the total mixture... this makes the wax more malleable and easier to work with, and your hair won't look like a bunck of candlesticks... hope this helpspeace and love
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Bluefoot
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posted 09-30-102 04:28 PM
wait, how are bees not animals? I'm sure i paid attention in biology class... |
sacredspace
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posted 10-01-102 01:28 PM
I use beeswax in my dreads. 100% natural beeswax is the best thing to use. Everything else on the market is full of unnatural shit. Anyways,I wouldn't worry about bees, they aren't harmed when we take their wax. Just out of curiosity..do you eat honey?
Take care.
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bluefoot
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posted 10-01-102 03:47 PM
I eat honey, and still consider myself vegan. Bees are animals, but beekeepers let the bees roam around to gather nectar, if they were in captivity there would be no honey. Besides that, bee farming is good for other crops, and it makes fruits and veggies healthier to have bees around, this is why orchards often have a few resident beehives. I just don't think beekeeping is anywhere near as detrimental to animal/human/earth welfare as the meat and dairy industries. Indeed, i don't know that there is anything that is. |
bluefoot
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posted 10-01-102 03:49 PM
but that is not to bash the person asking about vegan dreadlocks. I say, if you don't believe in beekeeping, stick by your ethics. These days not many people have them anymore. I hope you can find a suitable alternative :-) |
dmt
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posted 10-01-102 09:04 PM
I am pretty sure that bees are insects, not animals, but it doesn't really matter
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bluefoot
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posted 10-02-102 02:53 PM
not to beat a dead horse but i pulled this quote off a biology site
The animal kingdom is represented by a huge number of widely different species. Pictured are a pair of grasshoppers, which are insects, which are arthropods..etc. They are not very related to humans, and are much further down the evolutionary chain. The basic characteristics of animals are multicellular, eukaryotic, and large. They are dependent on plants or other animals for food, which also makes it generally necessary that they be able to move.
the breakdown from kingdom to species is as follows Kingdom Animalia
Phylum Arthropoda
Class Insecta
Order Hymenoptera
Family Apiidae
Genus Apis
Species Apis mellifera i just learned the other day that the name melissa comes from the species name mellifera. Sorry, i'm a biology freak... |
lao80
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posted 10-06-102 09:22 PM
I am not vegan, but there are a lot of bee farmers around here....when they take the honey or the wax the have to smoke the bees out and many MANY MANY bees are killed. Also, the reason bees make honey is to store food through the winter. If they aren't killed during smoking and harvesting, they die of starvation. |
bluefoot
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posted 10-09-102 10:12 PM
I don't know about all bee farms, but it is not very profitable to kill your hive over the winter, considering the first year of any hive won't be very productive anyway. Bees that die over the winter generally die of dysentery, if they are given too much artificial syrup in replacement of honey. Too much syrup toward the end of the season gives them diarrhea, and since they can't leave the hive, they get sick... Some people do kill their bees in the fall, if they are buying packaged bees in the spring, but I don't think this is standart practice. It is common to wrap the hives with some sort of insulation to keep them warm through the winter. Not to say that beekeeping is a natural thing for us to be doing, but as I said before, I don't think it's nearly as cruel or universally destructive as the meat and dairy industries. While meat and dairy animals eat up crops that could be used for humans, and shit everywhere, while vast tracts of land are cleared for them, rainforests cut, etc, beehives help crops and just seem a bit more friendly. This is my opinion, and again, i wouldn't argue against someone who had a moral opposition to honey. |
thruthelookingglass
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posted 04-22-103 02:14 PM
I've had dreads about a year. I bought some weird synthetic wax that didn't come from bees, it worked fine. Maby places sell was that doesn't come from bees. |
sarasita
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posted 04-22-103 06:53 PM
just use shea butter or let your dreads lock up on their own. |
ladybug
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posted 04-23-103 07:50 AM
When I started my dreads I used wax as well. It was the worst decision I could have made. It made my hair feel heavy and the way it sat on my dreads made it look as though I had a film of gunk (and I didn't even use much.) It then began to look like flakes of white (my hair is dark) and was really gross. I washed it out- and my knots are coming along nicely by just knotting naturally, with some help from my hands along the way. Good Luck. |
hippiedenial
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posted 05-01-103 07:12 PM
when they take the honey or the wax the have to smoke the bees out and many MANY MANY bees are killed. Also, the reason bees make honey is to store food through the winter. If they aren't killed during smoking and harvesting, they die of starvation. First of all, the smoke used to manage bees DO NOT kill them, all it does is slow them down, so they wont feel threatened and attack (bees die when they sting); as soon as the smoke is gone they return back to normal. Secondly they do not starve to death, worker bees work until they die, their life span is about 25-35 days. The Queen bee can live to about 2 years. Bees are constantly producing honey and produce more than the hive can consume, which is what we get. I know alot of vegans who chose to eat honey (and use bee products) and of course it is a personal decision but it's one that should not be made by disseminating uneducated information.
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Joia
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posted 05-27-103 01:55 PM
I wouldn't advise using wax anyway, if you ever cut your knots off you would see you were walking around with a bunch of candle sticks on your head...just let them do their thing naturally...it takes time and patience, but it's worth it in the long run... |
toman
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posted 05-28-103 01:59 AM
having been around beekeepers a bit, I second what hippiedenial said. I believe beeswax and hondy to be very acceptable natural products, and that the harvesting of them does not really harm the bees involved. But on to the locks question, the waxes that you can buy commercially contain various oils along with the wax to make it softer and more functional for the application. When used in normal small amounts, and assuming the dreads are washed fairly regularly with warm water, enough of the wax product is melted and washed out that it should not build up on your dreads. |
skaca
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posted 06-08-104 06:24 PM
you could do dreads without wax actually its better beacause wax screws up your dreads and i have dreads and dont put was and their ok so dont put wax its bad for your dreads |
portablekitten
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posted 06-13-104 11:40 PM
Using bee products is indeed a personal choice, but this link is interesting no matter what you choose!
http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm for your dreads: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/slovenia/1135/ |
niteflya
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posted 09-05-104 10:21 PM
Hi
Its about life to some
here is a link
nevermind, the above poster is on the ball  [This message has been edited by niteflya (edited 09-05-104).] |
Valerie
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posted 09-24-104 05:13 AM
I recently found a vegan cosmetic company that makes vegetable wax products for the hair and skin as well as other things like mineral makeup. The wax works really well for my hair. It is also organic which is a plus. The website is www.soulistic-nyc.com
I hope this helps.-Val |
toni
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posted 11-15-104 11:39 AM
too many fake-dreads in humbolt county, stop walking aroud acting like you are so peaceful, you are pathetic,you dont like black people, you cant stand reggae and you stink |
Saje
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posted 11-16-104 05:25 PM
I think that the bee/honey issue for vegans is interesting. I've read that it is impossible to remove the wax/honey from the hive without catching some of the bees and either killing them or removing some of their legs int he process.
I think that each vegan has to choose where to draw his or her own line.
If you don't eat honey or use bees wax that's great for the bees. But everything that we do hurts insects from tractors that harvest our grain to the cars that we may or may not drive...
Personally, I don't like a lot of honey but I do use it in cooking occasionally. I also think it is one of natures greatest gifts as it is the only food that will never go bad.
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