Guns kill people; only the police should have them!

[toman]

Good thing we stupid sheep have such great leaders to look out for us.

[kermit]

Good thing we stupid sheep have such great leaders to look out for us.

Korea

http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/200505/160_NORTH_KOREA_nuclear.jpg

:(

http://www.daffodil.us/galleries/first_pictures/images/korea_supporter1.jpg

[Heresy]

Good thing we stupid sheep have such great leaders to look out for us.


how do you expect to get the guns from those that have them?

[toman]

how do you expect to get the guns from those that have them?
By bringing in the Marines, duh! Then we'll just round them all up and cart'em off to FEMA's pre-constucted prison camps. Silly n00b...

[Heresy]

you realize, of course, that people who commit crimes with guns are, in fact criminals. By definition they aren't going to follow the rules. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will carry guns. That simple.

I am all about upholding the rights granted us by our forefathers.

How can a person say they were infinately wise in their writing of the first ammendment, but then turn around and call them short sighted and paranoid when writing the second? The logic is skewed and illconceived. And there are many many people out there who think just that.

[toman]

you realize, of course, that people who commit crimes with guns are, in fact criminals. By definition they aren't going to follow the rules. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will carry guns. That simple.

I am all about upholding the rights granted us by our forefathers.

How can a person say they were infinately wise in their writing of the first ammendment, but then turn around and call them short sighted and paranoid when writing the second? The logic is skewed and illconceived. And there are many many people out there who think just that.
*sigh* It's called sarcasm, dude. My original post was in relation to the fact that citizens in areas damaged by Katrina are having their legal, registered firearms confiscated by the police and military. Those that don't relenquish their constitutionaly granted rights are being arrested, most likely abused, and imprisoned. But, that you for spewing out some generic right-wing rhetoric for all of us to enjoy, because certainly nobody here has heard it before.

[CowboyHippy]

huh
i must have missed the references to katrina and what was going on in the original post.

the bill of rights was written for a different time and social climate,

lets see how brave the criminals are if everyone (even the cops) has a single shot flintlock

[Dead Fan]

That would be funny as hell.

[toman]

Yeah, we should just flush the bill of rights down the toilet, along with the koran. What the fuck do we Americans need rights for, anyway? Especially as long as the private security gaurds and rich land owners are allowed to keep their guns... Let the Marines concentrate on taking legally registered firearms (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html?hp&ex=1126238400&en=efe0a58b7fc8e12c&ei=5094&partner=homepage) away from poor minorities with no homes. I'm sure they have nothing to defend themselves from anyway, because I've never seen a police officer or soldier beat a black person before, have you? And of course, rich land white land owners need guns to keep those filthy motherfuckers from looting, right?

[CowboyHippy]

:bawl:

gee i never thought of it that way

it's mighty unfortunate that people were supposed to evacuate long ago
then they were clinging to life in attics and on rooftops, and now left to wade through garbage and raw sewage to steal food and water to feed themselves for their families,
especially when all i hear about is how they were too poverty stricken to be able to leave

and the man is going to take away their guns
now that's a real tragedy

[morningsunshine]

:bawl:

gee i never thought of it that way

it's mighty unfortunate that people were supposed to evacuate long ago
then they were clinging to life in attics and on rooftops, and now left to wade through garbage and raw sewage to steal food and water to feed themselves for their families,
especially when all i hear about is how they were too poverty stricken to be able to leave

and the man is going to take away their guns
now that's a real tragedy
A lot of people are refusing to leave. Even if means of transportation were available before the hurricane, they (the people healthy enough to have left) wouldn't have left, and they're not leaving now. They're actually turning away the people trying to help them. It's their own fault if they don't leave their sewage-laden, flooded, isolated homes when offered the chance because they are afraid someone is going to loot it. Sorry, but you can't enjoy the stuff you've got left if you're dead from cholera or dysentary. Also, the Guard was trying to fly in, trying to rescue people from the incapacitated hospitals... and they were being shot at?! Yeah, that's a great idea, shooting at the only people here to help you. I can understand using your legal, registered firearm to protect your house if someone is trying to hurt you or your family, but when you're impeding the efforts to help sick people stay alive, I say go ahead and take their firearms, or if you can't do that, then shoot back... in my opinion, taking away a fatal weapon from someone using it to hurt hundreds of other people is a small price to pay compared to losing hundreds of people's lives due to one crazy idiot.

[CowboyHippy]

I fully agree with you morning sunshine

i was attempting sarchasm myself

the last thing anyone needs down there are guns

[toman]

So basically, you guys are saying that police and military should decide on a person by person basis who deserves constitutional rights and who doesn't?

[Dead Fan]

That would be great but like Kanye said "George Bush doent care about black people." But seriously what is up with these looters New Orleans is an extremely historic Jazz city as Im sure many of you know why isnt anybody tryin g to loot some of the historic bits and pieces that may be there instead of twenty pairs of nikes?

[CowboyHippy]

So basically, you guys are saying that police and military should decide on a person by person basis who deserves constitutional rights and who doesn't?


charles whitman and lee harvey oswald had the right to keep and bear arms, why not people hell bent on staying on their roof while bodies and sewage float around them

the dead arent worried about the second amendment, just the living, and it's not a matter of life to them, it's about keeping someone frome taking their posessions.

seems like with all the police and military they shouldn't have to worry about looters

on NPR today people were allowed to return to their homes in some parts of the hurricane area, and they are getting help from fema, but the people that held out and are still defending their territory are not, as soon as they put down their guns and the second amendment they will champion the freedom of speech about how they are not getting help from anyone.

It's a harsh thought but it's be a little more quiet if the hurricane were a little stronger

[Dead Fan]

what does FEMA stand for again? Sorry for my ignorance.

[morningsunshine]

So basically, you guys are saying that police and military should decide on a person by person basis who deserves constitutional rights and who doesn't?
No, I'm saying if one person is acting like a crazy loon and compromising the safety of hundreds of other people then their gun should be confiscated. A gun being taken away isn't much compared to hundreds of people losing their lives because some dude decides he's going to try to snipe the only people that are helping them.

[StellaBlue]

FEMA is Federal Emergency Management Agency.

[Dead Fan]

Thanks I forgot silly me..

[toman]

No, I'm saying if one person is acting like a crazy loon and compromising the safety of hundreds of other people then their gun should be confiscated. A gun being taken away isn't much compared to hundreds of people losing their lives because some dude decides he's going to try to snipe the only people that are helping them.
Obviously someone commiting a crime with a gun should have it confiscated. That's not what this thread is even about; it's about the wholesale confiscation of legally owned firearms from citizens who have done nothing wrong. Did you even read the news artical I linked to above?

[treehugger]

Well, if New Orleans is still under martial law, (and I know they declared marital law when Katrina hit) they DON'T have the right to bear arms at the time...it's my understanding that once martial law is declared, your rights are suspended and the military has ABSOLUTE control.

Hopefully the guns will be returned when marital law is dropped.

Kath

[CowboyHippy]

i'd bet they will be returned

if my little town were to flood and i got out in a hurry there are a lot of other things i would be more concerned about than my guns. they would be left here, where i keep them, and if a looter strolled through, the small padlock on the case would be an easy obstacle, then we have an armed looter,
so in that case id rather the police take my gun

i did read your link, FYI..it would have helped in the original post, not a few posts later

"While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm. No arrests were made on Wednesday night or this morning, and the police received only 10 calls for service, a police spokesman said."

so are you saying the calm lack of looters roaming the street is a bad thing?

on another note, here we have the Lansing State Journal
the biggest newspaper of michigans capitol city

also the most republican biased "report what they want" rag i have ever seen


don't trust everything you read and hear, the media twists the truth how it sees fit.

[Heresy]

*sigh* It's called sarcasm, dude. My original post was in relation to the fact that citizens in areas damaged by Katrina are having their legal, registered firearms confiscated by the police and military. Those that don't relenquish their constitutionaly granted rights are being arrested, most likely abused, and imprisoned. But, that you for spewing out some generic right-wing rhetoric for all of us to enjoy, because certainly nobody here has heard it before.


Please, never *sigh* at me again...at the time the sarcasm was unclear, and the article had not yet been linked.

Also, don't pull that right wing BS on me either. I am neither (R) nor (D), so you can please save me your obvious and quite tired (D) rebuttals.

Simply put I am a constitutionalist...I uphold that motherfucker like a southern baptist does the bible. I do not now, nor will I ever own a gun...but who am I to decide for others...huh....where else is that argument used.......?

By current republcan logic, guns SHOULD be illegal, the only reason they have not passed laws is because they would lose so many votes. If the republicans did not have to worry about those votes, they'd outlaw guns in an instant...the reason...an unarmed public is easier to scare then an armed public...even though they already have 52% of them eating out of the palms of their hands, think of how more terrified Bubba could get, how many more rights he'd be willing to fork over if all the sudden he didn't have his AR-15 to protect him and his from the terrorists (because yeah...for some reason, [media]even people in Alabama think the terrorists are gonna come knocking at their door. )...now does that sound right-wing to you?

I promise you I will never spew rhetoric anywhere...its usless, sheepish, and wrong-headed. You can take it for granted that what ever you see posted under this screen name is well though out and grounded, I wouldn't post it otherwise.

[morningsunshine]

If the republicans did not have to worry about those votes, they'd outlaw guns in an instant...the reason...an unarmed public is easier to scare then an armed public...even though they already have 52% of them eating out of the palms of their hands, think of how more terrified Bubba could get, how many more rights he'd be willing to fork over if all the sudden he didn't have his AR-15 to protect him and his from the terrorists (because yeah...for some reason, [media]even people in Alabama think the terrorists are gonna come knocking at their door. )...now does that sound right-wing to you?
While some people may think that, other people want gun control for other *better* reasons... like the fact that the only things guns were made for were to kill things with. I have never touched a gun before in my life and won't ever. I think guns are horrible, terrible devices that are used to take the lives of innocent people and children and are used way too frequently. Have you ever heard of anything positive happening because someone had a gun? No. Guns are completely unnecessary because all they do is take the lives of others. That's why I think guns should be outlawed... outlawing guns would be outlawing fatal killing devices responsible for the murders (accidental and intentional) and suicides of thousands upon thousands of people.

[Heresy]

While some people may think that, other people want gun control for other *better* reasons... like the fact that the only things guns were made for were to kill things with. I have never touched a gun before in my life and won't ever. I think guns are horrible, terrible devices that are used to take the lives of innocent people and children and are used way too frequently. Have you ever heard of anything positive happening because someone had a gun? No. Guns are completely unnecessary because all they do is take the lives of others. That's why I think guns should be outlawed... outlawing guns would be outlawing fatal killing devices responsible for the murders (accidental and intentional) and suicides of thousands upon thousands of people.

That is your opinion, and you are totally 100% entitled to it. That said, your opinion may not be right for everyone. It doesn't make your views right or wrong, it just makes them different. I will never say that opinion is wrong, I will never say pro guns is right...but I am certainly not wise enough to make a decision for an entire nation.

Oh, I would like to rebut 1 thing you said...guns have filled millions of empty bellies since their beginnings. Hunting makes up lots of food

[LIBRA]

I live out in the middle of now where, I have a gun to protect me and my son.
Theres all kinds of wild animals, I have 2 dogs to warn me but still you never know. And I would feel very unsafe if I did not have that gun, just knowing if something ever did happen that I cant control I could protect my son if need be. It would be last resort to hurt anyone or thing but if it came down to it I would do what had to be done.
So many things take lives everyday and yes guns may be one of them, people need proper training and permits to own guns in most states, so I am
pro gun. To outlaw guns would be a huge mistake, people would freak out, so may people have so many sports involving guns that are safe and practiced safely.

[Heresy]

I live out in the middle of now where, I have a gun to protect me and my son.
Theres all kinds of wild animals, I have 2 dogs to warn me but still you never know. And I would feel very unsafe if I did not have that gun, just knowing if something ever did happen that I cant control I could protect my son if need be. It would be last resort to hurt anyone or thing but if it came down to it I would do what had to be done.
So many things take lives everyday and yes guns may be one of them, people need proper training and permits to own guns in most states, so I am
pro gun. To outlaw guns would be a huge mistake, people would freak out, so may people have so many sports involving guns that are safe and practiced safely.


all good points hhgirl

[LIBRA]

Thank you, mystery troll!! ;)