left-wing people+pro-troop+huh???

[toman]

I'm confused as to why all these left-wing so called liberal people are pro troop. Is it just because it's percieved as antisocial to be anti-troop these days? I don't understand how a person can be anti-government and anti-war, and still support people who choose to kill in exchange for payment from the government.

[kermit]

I'm confused as to why all these left-wing so called liberal people are pro troop. Is it just because it's percieved as antisocial to be anti-troop these days? I don't understand how a person can be anti-government and anti-war, and still support people who choose to kill in exchange for payment from the government.


Because were all human and the "system" put them there!

this war is not about hateing Americans or other countries it's about hateing the American government!
Many a hand has scaled the grand old face of the plateau
Some belong to strangers and some to folks you know
Holy ghosts and talk show hosts are planted in the sand
To beautify the foothills and shake the many hands

There's nothing on the top but a bucket and a mop
And an illustrated book about birds :bandit:
You see a lot up there but don't be scared
Who needs action when you got words

When you've finished with the mop then you can stop
And look at what you've done
The plateau's clean, no dirt to be seen
And the work it took was fun

There's nothing on the top but a bucket and a mop
And an illustrated book about birds :bandit:
You see a lot up there but don't be scared
Who needs action when you got words

Well the many hands began to scan around for the next plateau
Some said it was in Greenland and some in Mexico
Others decided it was nowhere except for where they stood
But they were all just guesses, wouldn't help you if they could

[toman]

Because were all human and the "system" put them there!

Last I checked there was no draft; enlisting in the military to carry a gun and kill people was entirely voluntary...

[morningsunshine]

Last I checked there was no draft; enlisting in the military to carry a gun and kill people was entirely voluntary...
Actually, that wasn't the case for my older brother... he was kicked out of the house and couldn't afford college, so it was either go on welfare and work a minimum wage job, or join the army. So he did, and it was really great for him. He never actually went to Iraq (he was out of the army like five or so years before 9/11), but the discipline he got there really straightened him out, and they paid for his education and now he's a social worker and has his own (really nice) house, wife, and son. :)
A lot of people that join the army don't really know or understand what it entails, and many of them never expected to actually have to go to war... Andy (my bro) sure didn't, and it's lucky he didn't have to because I don't think he could have really hurt anyone. In fact not a lot of people I know actually join the army to serve the country, or because they want to go to war and kill people, it's because it's one of the only options they have and they're looking forward to a free education, housing, and paid vacay. (I don't think the army would get many people to enlist if those benefits weren't there.) That's why there's such a shortage of recruits now, because nobody wants to go to war and have to kill people. I, personally, would never, ever, ever even consider joining the military for a second because I disagree with the whole shebang, but many people think it's their only way out of poverty, welfare, and a generally hard life.

[toman]

A lot of people that join the army don't really know or understand what it entails
This can't possibly be true. Every kid in the world has played "army guy", a game that entails chasing people around and pretending to kill them. The entire purpose of the military is to kill people; it's the only way a person can take human life and then be congratulated and accepted by his countrymen. IMO, even the military people who never pick up a gun shoulder just as much responsiblity for every death as the guy who pulled the trigger or dropped the bomb. To say "I'm just joining up for the benefits" is a cop-out, in my opinion. If a person says "I believe in what we're fighting for, gimme a gun so I can kill these motherfuckers" then I'm going to respect him, even if I disagree with the pricipal, but the person who doesn't even care and is just along for the ride and the benefits is a seriously flawed character.

[Unkle_John]

Many a hand has scaled the grand old face of the plateau
Some belong to strangers and some to folks you know
Holy ghosts and talk show hosts are planted in the sand
To beautify the foothills and shake the many hands

There's nothing on the top but a bucket and a mop
And an illustrated book about birds :bandit:
You see a lot up there but don't be scared
Who needs action when you got words

When you've finished with the mop then you can stop
And look at what you've done
The plateau's clean, no dirt to be seen
And the work it took was fun

There's nothing on the top but a bucket and a mop
And an illustrated book about birds :bandit:
You see a lot up there but don't be scared
Who needs action when you got words

Well the many hands began to scan around for the next plateau
Some said it was in Greenland and some in Mexico
Others decided it was nowhere except for where they stood
But they were all just guesses, wouldn't help you if they could

Plateau. As sung by the meatpuppets...then nirvana.

[morningsunshine]

This can't possibly be true. Every kid in the world has played "army guy", a game that entails chasing people around and pretending to kill them. The entire purpose of the military is to kill people; it's the only way a person can take human life and then be congratulated and accepted by his countrymen. IMO, even the military people who never pick up a gun shoulder just as much responsiblity for every death as the guy who pulled the trigger or dropped the bomb. To say "I'm just joining up for the benefits" is a cop-out, in my opinion. If a person says "I believe in what we're fighting for, gimme a gun so I can kill these motherfuckers" then I'm going to respect him, even if I disagree with the pricipal, but the person who doesn't even care and is just along for the ride and the benefits is a seriously flawed character.
Yeah, but killing someone on a TV screen is a lot different than doing it in real life. Hell, my favorite game is Vice City and do you think I could take a samurai sword and chop people's heads off in real life? Heck, no! Just because people play video games or play with army men doesn't make doing the actual thing any easier or more appealing, and a lot of people don't actually make the connections in their head that, well, I'm joining the army so I might have to look someone in the eye and shoot them. What a lot of people I know are thinking is, I want the personal discipline and strength that comes out of the army and I want to be able to get out of this poverty and welfare situation I'm in right now. At my high school, there is not one person that I know that has signed up for the army if they can afford to go to college. It's mostly the kids living in the one bedroom, one bathroom houses with their six other little brothers and sisters that don't see anything coming out of their future. A boy at my school who's father owns an Italian ice chain around here actually came out and said it, now that I think of it. A recruiting guy came into my English class to talk to us and he said "well there's no sense in even trying to get me to join, I've got enough money to buy out one of your army bases and turn it into my own personal party town." (I never said he was a nice guy....) And the recruiter said "well what about the opportunity to serve your country?" And the kid said "I don't love the country enough to get my head blown off in Iraq!" While I agree that someone doing it just for the benefits is probably more lazy than anything else, I can't really blame the people that can't afford college and really have nowhere else to go than to some place like McDonald's or mow lawns the rest of their life.

[Dead Fan]

I live next to a military base because my dad is in the army. Almost everybody in my town is in a military family. My dad thankfully didnt have to go to war but many of my friends including my girlfriends dad are over seas. You can say what you want from a distance about what army people are thinking when they join but when you know these people and interact with them daily its a completely diferent story in general. I live next to Fort Bragg/Pope Air Force Base (the largest military installment in America) and I interact with everybody from the tops of Spec Ops to the lower division people to new recruits and fly boys i know nobody here who got in oblivious to the fact that there is a distinct possibility that they may have to go to war. Anybody who knows their history will know that the word army is very hevily related to the word war and if they truley dont then they are duh duh duh retarded and would not be allowed to be in the army its not like the white house. But anyways it is volunteer and nobody is forced in and if they choose the army over McDonalds then they made a choice and they will know that service means service.

[toman]

Seems like this thread has gone off track pretty quickly; the whole issue of why people join the military and everything else belongs in another thread. My original point with this one was why self proclaimed liberals are for the most part anti-war and yet pro-troop. To me, that's like being anti-rape and pro-rapist, I mean, you wouldn't say that rape is wrong and then turn around and send a rapist a batch of homemade cookies, right? I don't see how a person can have a beef with the politics behind a military action and not have a beef with the guy pulling the trigger, since without him the whole issue wouldn't exist in the first place.

[Dead Fan]

Leftist Camoulage. :p

[unclejoe]

toman,

the whole issue of why young people join the military is why a lot of people support the 'troops'.
morningsunshine has it right. many of the kids being cannon fodder joined because of the situation they were in, limited choices (thanks to public'education'), and excellent propaganda by the military brass(h***s).

in my case, my choices were:
1. college (dad would have gladly put another mortgage on the family home),
2. get drafted and be a target in Southeast Asia,
3. head for Canada,
4. join and get a position that, hopefully, would keep me away from high velocity lead mosquitoes.
i chose option four and was stationed in Arizona, thank you Great Spirit.

supporting the young men and women in the military who are being shot at because of various rich greedy A**H***S and power hungry politicians is, as Martha would say, a good thing.

they need to know that we care about them,
that we love and cherish them,
and that we will help them come to terms with the ugliness that they will have witnessed when they return.

unclejoe

[toman]

But if it weren't for them, there would be no ugliness in the first place. It doesn't matter how hard an impotent politician preaches religious extremism and right-wing war propaganda, without some guy pulling the trigger just for the prospect of getting his carrot at the end of the day, there is no war. So either the people who join the military are surprisingly more greedy and morally deficient that I would have though possible, or they're simply looking for an outlet for the animalistic barbarism that seems rampant in our culture, and finding a socially acceptable (and encouraged) means of satisfying it. Either way it's a vile behavior on the parts of all parties involved, and I continue to not understand why people who otherwise claim to stand up for what is good, fair and decent continue to sanction it.

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

But if it weren't for them, there would be no ugliness in the first place. It doesn't matter how hard an impotent politician preaches religious extremism and right-wing war propaganda, without some guy pulling the trigger just for the prospect of getting his carrot at the end of the day, there is no war. So either the people who join the military are surprisingly more greedy and morally deficient that I would have though possible, or they're simply looking for an outlet for the animalistic barbarism that seems rampant in our culture, and finding a socially acceptable (and encouraged) means of satisfying it. Either way it's a vile behavior on the parts of all parties involved, and I continue to not understand why people who otherwise claim to stand up for what is good, fair and decent continue to sanction it.

Actually, I think some folks think fighting/killing/dying for something like freedom is worth while.

[toman]

Actually, I think some folks think fighting/killing/dying for something like freedom is worth while.
Thanks for the informed opinion. I sure feel more free now that some tens of thousands of Iraqies are dead...

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Thanks for the informed opinion. I sure feel more free now that some tens of thousands of Iraqies are dead...

Better them than my kids. Better there than here.

[toman]

lol... I can see it now, the Iraqie military landing troops on the beaches of southern California, rampaging through shopping malls and wal-marts killing children. Seriously dude, give me a break. We're more likely to be invaded by the Mexicans. Oh, wait, thats right, we allready are... lol... :D

[morningsunshine]

But if it weren't for them, there would be no ugliness in the first place. It doesn't matter how hard an impotent politician preaches religious extremism and right-wing war propaganda, without some guy pulling the trigger just for the prospect of getting his carrot at the end of the day, there is no war. So either the people who join the military are surprisingly more greedy and morally deficient that I would have though possible, or they're simply looking for an outlet for the animalistic barbarism that seems rampant in our culture, and finding a socially acceptable (and encouraged) means of satisfying it. Either way it's a vile behavior on the parts of all parties involved, and I continue to not understand why people who otherwise claim to stand up for what is good, fair and decent continue to sanction it.
Toman what you don't seem to be understanding here is that a lot of people don't have a choice. They can either continue to live the lives of poverty they've had since they were born or they can join the military and hopefully use a bad situation to their advantage and go to college after serving (because not many people can afford it, in case you didn't know, and many people don't qualify for big-time scholarships) or begin a job using the skills they learned in the army. The army isn't all bad, it gives people discipline that otherwise wouldn't have any (as in the case of my brother) and gives other people a sense of security and a feeling that they are learning and growing as people. People don't just say "well the military is an easy way out, I'll kill some people just so I can get some benefits". That's not what's on (most) people's mind. And as for shooting and killing people, if a country (let's use a nice one you never hear about, like.. Switzerland) decided they didn't like the US and was going to come over and bomb us and invade us and start killing citizens. Would it be wrong, then, for the army to move in and say, well let's kick some Swiss ass? Protecting yourself and the country you live in isn't wrong, so long as it's for a good reason. The Iraq war happens to be completely pointless. So many people aren't joining the army nowadays because they don't really want to kill anyone or because they don't agree with the war. (Have you heard about the huge "shortage"?) I'm sure many of the soldiers in the Army don't agree with the war either, but do they have a choice? No. All they can do, really, do the best job they can over there and get out as soon as possible. And this is how a lot of people can support the troops, but not the war. The men are out there fighting for something they may not necessarily believe in or dying needlessly. They need our support and know that someone out there wants them to come home alive and wants them to do the best they can. Just because you don't support this really, for lack of a better word, stupid, war, doesn't mean you can't support the men out there fighting and hope that they are doing well and keeping them in your thoughts. If my brother was out there right now, you can bet I'd be cheering him on every second of the day, hoping that he's doing well and protecting himself. Does that mean I want the war to continue? Hell no.

[morningsunshine]

Better them than my kids. Better there than here.
Yeah, great attitude. "The senseless death of that child doesn't matter because it's not mine. Who cares what that mother feels because her child was blown to bits; it's not my kid, why the hell should it matter to me?" You've got to have a black hole where your heart should be if you don't feel any compassion for the poor families over there losing their homes, their children, their mothers and fathers over some oil. Anyone's needless death should be met with care and compassion, not your callous, conceited, self-serving remarks. Because you know what? There is here for the people of Iraq, those are their kids. Put yourself in their shoes, how does it feel?

[Dead Fan]

Yea and adding on to the reason many people suppert the troops is that they may realize that the soldiers over there are young and dont know what life is to live yet or they are older people with children who need them and wives at home and the people who may believe with war are total humanitarians and belive nobody should be killing or being killed and hoping that they can come home and live and be with their families.

[toman]

I do understand that people choose to join the military because they sometimes have very few other choices. But it's impossible for someone to have NO alternative. I guess what it all comes down to is that Americans are always willing to sacrifice their morals if it means getting them one step ahead in the "race", or if it's easier than the alternative. It's disappointing to me to think that people can be such sheep, especially when huge issues are at stake and placed into their very hands, but I suppose as always I'm going to have to accept that. Looks like I've answered my own question, eh? Thanks for helping me with that, folks, and I hope I haven't offended anyone because that's never my intent. I'm going to start a new thread on this same subject (more or less) because now that we've discussed the issue and I understand it better (or at least have accepted what I probably allready knew) I'd like to see if anyone else feels the way I do. :cheers:

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

lol... I can see it now, the Iraqie military landing troops on the beaches of southern California, rampaging through shopping malls and wal-marts killing children. Seriously dude, give me a break. We're more likely to be invaded by the Mexicans. Oh, wait, thats right, we allready are... lol... :D

They've already successfully made attacks here. Several times. Or is your brain so fucked up from smoking dope that you forgot already? I know you want peace and flowers and love, but give me a break. Come back down to reality for a second, there are literally millions and millions of people out there that want you DEAD because you live here and don't worship in Alah. (Or do you?)

Or, mayhaps you're one of the tin-foil hat wearing consipiracy theorists that believe the gobment is making these terrorist attacks??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/FukNRekd/Root/z56.jpg

:kngt:

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Sorry 'bout the personal attacks in my previous thread. I mixed beer and rum again last night and paid the price this AM.

That being said, you do need to be a bit more open-minded about things going on around you. They're not good, and it's getting worse. You're not going to be able to hide from reality forever.

[toman]

Apparently I am a dumbass, because I don't remember any Iraqies attacking us. Please fill me in on the details of these attacks so I can be as cool as you.

[oldkzildjians]

I only support troops such as the soldiers who fought in WWII to defend the country and get rid of Hitler. I don't agree with the war in Iraq so I don't support the troops there. I still would not spit on them when they returned like they did to troops returning from Viet Nam. (offsubject) Speaking of Nam, my dad trained fighter pilots during that war. He then became an airline pilot. He's no William Calley, though. Soldiers like that are the scum of the planet.

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Apparently I am a dumbass, because I don't remember any Iraqies attacking us. Please fill me in on the details of these attacks so I can be as cool as you.

It's not that you're 'dumb', it's that you're 'ignorant'. There's a difference.

(Unless your ignorance is willful, then it IS dumb.)

Perhaps you haven't noticed how many of the terrorists are in Iraq? Oh, that's right, you watch CNN, so you knew there were 'insurgents' and 'freedom fighters' there, but not terrorists.

I guess the difference between the two is clear; terrorists target women and children, and they have to hide their identity, where insurgents or freedom fighters target women and children, and they have to hide thier identity.

So I can see the confusion. :bawl:

Perhaps you also didn't read the 9/11 commission's report which showed how Iraq harbored, funded, supported and encouraged terrorists. Maybe not the exact ones that attacked NY, but terrorists none-the-less.

Sometimes I wish I were ignorant again, life would sure be beautiful...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/FukNRekd/headinsand.jpg

[toman]

Right... So blowing the fuck out of Iraq was the best way to deal with terrorism? Because it obvously seems to be working... Funny thing though, I didn't hear about terrorists blowing things in Baghdad up an a daily basis before we invaded Iraq. But anyway, in another attempt to re-rail this thread, the point was not to debate terrorism, Iraq, 9/11, or any of this other jive thats been beaten into the ground a million times allready. The point was liberal people who are for the most part anti-war yet still go around spouting about "supporting our troops". (Which apparently involves nothing more than sticking a magneting thing on the back of your SUV...) Oh, and skinnywhitekid, do you have some kind of beef or something? I mean, you come to this forum and within a dozen or so posts you're flinging insults like they were turds...

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

blah blah blah....

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? Keep your head in the sand, friend. Close your eyes and pretend the world is a safe, friendly place and millions of people don't really want YOU DEAD.

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CIA Analysis, January 2003:
Iraqi Support for Terrorism, (p.314 of Senate Intel Report):
"Iraq has a long history of supporting terrorism."

CIA Analysis, January 2003--Iraqi Support for Terrorism, (p. 314 of Senate Intel Report):
"Iraq continues to be a safehaven, transit point, or operational node for groups and individuals who direct violence against the United States, Israel and other allies."

Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee Report (p. 315):
"The CIA provided 78 reports, from multiple sources, [redacted] documenting instances in which the Iraqi regime either trained operatives for attacks or dispatched them to carry out attacks."

Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee Report (p. 316):
"Iraq continued to participate in terrorist attacks throughout the 1990s."

Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee Report (p. 316):
"From 1996 to 2003, the focused its terrorist activities on western interests, particularly against the U.S. and Israel."

Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee Report (p. 316):
"Throughout 2002, the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] was becoming increasingly aggressive in planning attacks against U.S. interests. The CIA provided eight reports to support this assessment."

Bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee Report (p. 331):
"Twelve reports received [redacted] from sources that the CIA described as having varying reliability, cited Iraq or Iraqi national involvement in al Qaeda's [chemical, biological, nuclear] CBW efforts."

The 9/11 Commission Report (p. 66):
"In March 1998, after bin Laden's public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraq Intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with bin Laden."

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The reason the terrorists are in Iraq fighting us is because they know if we succeed there, they will fail. Period. Even more so than if we succeed in Afgan.

May I suggest, before you put your foot in your mouth and make yourself look like a completely ignorant tool again, that you do just a [I]little bit of reading (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html)as to why (http://www.9-11commission.gov/)we're at war with Iraq.

[toman]

Did you even read what I typed in my last post? Or are you so hungry for a place to argue this same crap that you're going to force it into any thread possible? These politics are not even relevant to the topic at hand; if you really want to start a thread to argue the war in Iraq feel free to do so. Otherwise, read the subject of my original post and add something to the discussion that actually matters. And just a tip; people might be a bit more willing to argue politics with you if you were to post something useful and get to know people a bit, instead of barging into a forum and ramming politics down everyone's throats and coming off a complete ass. :cheers:

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Did you even read what I typed in my last post?

Oh, damn. I knew I forgot something... lets go thru this again;

Step 1: Read post
Step 2: Reply to post
Step 3: Wait for toman to get all butt-hurt and change the subject.
Step 4: Reply to new subject
Step 5: Wait for toman to get all butt-hurt and change the subject.
Step 6: Laugh at toman getting confused because he can't follow the life of a thread. :bawl:

Seriously, you took this thread in the direction it went, so how about countering my points without the 3rd grade attitude?

Or can't you?

[toman]

Are you having fun? Seriously, are you a member or a thirty year old troll? What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

[Heresy]

Yes...it is true that there are people so poor in this country, the military is a better option than takin a government handout. If you disagree with this, you have been blessed to not see what inner city poverty is like, and how it destroys generation upon generation. The military offers an immediate escape through service, and potentially a permanant escape with the GI bill.

Yes it is true that a huge % of the people fighting in Iraq knew full well when they enlisted that chances were they in fact WOULD be seeing a war in their time.

Yes, thousands of innocents and combatants both have died. Who likes that...really...?

Hate the game, not the playa...you guys need some more black hippies in here...that's rule 1, its an understood. I don't support the war, but how am I gonna hate on 18-22 year old kids trying to either make something out of themselves, pick up the pieces, avenge a lost loved one, or carry out a family tradition?

Most people do not join the military to kill people.

Do what you like, feel what you feel, I'm not one to tell you how to feel, but until you can understand their situation, and the real reasons why each and every soldier is over there fighting, who are you to pass judgement on them and decide their life means nothing, because by not supporting them, that is what you are saying to them.

I would support the Iraqi troops as well, give to their armies so that they have a better chance, but that would just mean making the war longer, and more death would come from it.

I hate the war, not the boys and girls following old men into battle
that is all

[Herbmama]

Are you having fun? Seriously, are you a member or a thirty year old troll? What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

I'll second that Troll call.

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Are you having fun? Seriously, are you a member or a thirty year old troll? What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

Yes. I'm having fun. You still refuse to debate my points. I'm a forty one year old troll trying to get a straight answer out of you instead of having you dodge the questions.

...

Seriously, you took this thread in the direction it went, so how about countering my points without the 3rd grade attitude?

Or can't you?

Apparently I am a dumbass.

Apparently.

[toman]

Yes. I'm having fun. You still refuse to debate my points. I'm a forty one year old troll trying to get a straight answer out of you instead of having you dodge the questions.





Apparently.

I refuse to debate your points because they're not relevant to the topic at hand. They've been beaten into the ground in a million other threads on this and countless other internet forums; I've tried several times to get this thread back on track so it can serve as a discussion regarding the original subject, and for some reason you can't let your off-topic obsessions lie. If you'd like to turn this thread into yet another debate on whether terrorists are in Iraq, who's responsible for 9/11, homeland security, and all the rest, go ahead; the thread's allready in the toilet. If you or anyone else would like to dicuss the issue of left-wing anti-war people who continue to pledge support to the United States armed forces, I'll be happy to join in. Otherwise, this thread can rot along with all the rest like it. And if you have some more immature names to call me, please, out with it; they add an unmeasurable amount of credibility to you and your points. :bandit:

[toman]

Hate the game, not the playa...
Ahh, but without the players, there is no game, eh?

[treehugger]

I hate the war and I support HUMANITY. I cannot remember where I saw it or read it.. ??fahrenheit 911???

The military focuses a HUGE amount of their recruiting efforts among the living poor. Places where unemployment and crime is rampant. Where poverty is the norm and people are living hand to mouth. They feed on the desperate.

I can't hate on somebody who enlists out of desperation.. And once they are in they're stuck.

Now, those troops who just sign up out of bloodlust, I have no pity for them. But I do pity/emphasize with those who felt trapped and like it was their only option, that or homelessness/starvation.

Just my twopence.

Kath

[Dead Fan]

Treehugger and Heresy very good points. I wasnt much for Farenheit 911 but that is for a different thread. LHSWB, Toman has a point he has an opinion, you have an opinion. Sometimes they may differ. If this is the case talk about it. Stick to the point of the thread. Personal attacks are not the way to go especially so new to a thread its not healthy. I know your name would say no but are you by chance balding or have very short hair you may shave some times? Just curiosity

[Heresy]

Treehugger and Heresy very good points. I wasnt much for Farenheit 911 but that is for a different thread. LHSWB, Toman has a point he has an opinion, you have an opinion. Sometimes they may differ. If this is the case talk about it. Stick to the point of the thread. Personal attacks are not the way to go especially so new to a thread its not healthy. I know your name would say no but are you by chance balding or have very short hair you may shave some times? Just curiosity


I enjoyed the first 1/2 of F911 just for pure entertainment. There is a TON of BS in the movie. Manipulated facts, things taken grossly out of context and the like, the military recruiting, however is one of those thing that is 100% verifyable and true.

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

I refuse to debate your points because they're not relevant to the topic at hand. ...

You mean you can't debate my points??

Remember, YOU are the one that took this thread in the direction it went. All my posts were responses to YOURS.

Now you're going to backpeddle because you can't handle the fucking truth? :bawl:

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

..

The military focuses a HUGE amount of their recruiting efforts among the living poor. Places where unemployment and crime is rampant. Where poverty is the norm and people are living hand to mouth. They feed on the desperate.

I can't hate on somebody who enlists out of desperation.. And once they are in they're stuck.
...

They feed on the desperate eh? Sounds more like they FEED the desperate. Go ahead and bash the government for trying to reduce poverty and increase enlistments. It's STILL a free country. (Because of people that died so you could sit here and hate them openly) Those people were not forced to join, as you well know. If they were against war, they had the option NOT to join.

This is the first major war faught COMLETELY with a volunteer military. That in and of itself speaks volumes about how those people fighting the war feel about it. More so than any other.

Also, don't forget; the casualty rate for US soldiers in this war annually is LESS THAN THE DEATH RATE DURING PEACE TIME of the same soldiers. (In case you don't know what that means, more soldiers died per year during TRAINING in NON COMBAT operations than have died in the Iraqi war IN combat situation.)

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Treehugger and Heresy very good points. I wasnt much for Farenheit 911 but that is for a different thread. LHSWB, Toman has a point he has an opinion, you have an opinion. Sometimes they may differ. If this is the case talk about it. Stick to the point of the thread. Personal attacks are not the way to go especially so new to a thread its not healthy. I know your name would say no but are you by chance balding or have very short hair you may shave some times? Just curiosity

Agreed on F9/11. It's so full of holes it's pathetic.

As far as me being balding or short haired (why didn't you ask if I was fat?), no. Nice try though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/FukNRekd/Chantz/drink-drive.jpg

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Ok, so maybe I have a five-head, but it's been like that for eons. :cheers:









BTW, It's funny you would say this...

Personal attacks are not the way to go

then turn around and start with implied personal attacks...

I know your name would say no but are you by chance balding or have very short hair you may shave some times?

Somewhat hypocritical of you isn't it? There seems to be a lot of that going around here.

[Dead Fan]

No I didnt mean those as being a streotype or personal attacks its just you said you were 41 and my dad said he was gonna join and you sound like him. No offense intended. I just thought he was screwing around. :cheers:

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

No I didnt mean those as being a streotype or personal attacks its just you said you were 41 and my dad said he was gonna join and you sound like him. No offense intended. I just thought he was screwing around. :cheers:

OIC. My bad. :cheers:

[toman]

Nice sippy cup. Very macho. :D

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Nice sippy cup. Very macho. :D

It's my son's sippy cup, and FYI, it contained Vodka and Cranberry! :D

[toman]

It's my son's sippy cup, and FYI, it contained Vodka and Cranberry! :D
ahh, nothing like brain damage at an early age, eh? :ufo:

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

ahh, nothing like brain damage at an early age, eh? :ufo:

We give him the vodka to help him sleep. But we only give it to him in the evening and never more than 5 or 6 ounces at a time. Or in the afternoon. Or when he wakes up in the morning and we want to sleep in. :kngt:

[Dead Fan]

Cute kid anyways.

[Herbmama]

We give him the vodka to help him sleep. But we only give it to him in the evening and never more than 5 or 6 ounces at a time. Or in the afternoon. Or when he wakes up in the morning and we want to sleep in. :kngt:

Please freaking tell me your joking.

[Heresy]

Please freaking tell me your joking.
he's obviously kidding...I hope...............

5 to 6 oz would kill a a kid that small...it gets me pretty friggin drunk!

[LIBRA]

When my son was teething my moms says, just give rub liquir on his gums, thats what she always did, I never dared do it, too afraid something would happen, but anyway I am sure he is kidding!!!

Kid drinkin story:

When i was like 7 or 8 my parents were having a party, and there were cups of stuff everywhere I didnt know where my cup was so I picked up one thinkin it was mine, and it was rum and coke, I didnt even notice till everything started spinning and my gut felt like a rock my mom took the cup and drank from it and and freaked out, well I puked fell asleep and all was good but I still get picked on about it from my family and I am 25, they say I did it on purpose!!

[toman]

lol... five or six ounces... that would get me tipsy, and I'm a pro!