Action Alert

[forrest]

Stop the f@c* Heads
Save Our Environment (www.saveourenvironment.org)

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win---Gandhi

Peace & Love forrest

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

What a joke. The current Endangered Species Act is well-intentioned but has several serious flaws: One major one is that it doesn't help recover endangered species.

The ESA has failed miserably to recover even a small number of endangered species, while conflict and litigation have plagued local communities and private property owners alike.

We all agree with the intentions of the Endangered Species Act, but out of the almost 1,300 species listed over the past 30 years, only 10 have been recovered and de-listed.

A less than 1 percent recovery rate is unacceptable.

While the ESA has done an abysmal job in its primary function to propect wildlife, it's done a fine job of choking the habitat of another species: humans; it has done far more to harm property rights than it has to save supposedly vunerable plants and animals.

While the protection of wildlife is a noble goal, the protection of property rights is no less important.

In June the Kelo Supreme Court ruling, which basically did away with constitutional protection of privately held property, brought the issue to a new sensitivity level and hopefully will be dealt with, and the ESA as it stands, is restructured to reflect these protections of a basic right to own land, and have control over the same.

Furthermore, a mere 36% of listed species are considered stable or improving. And even this 36% is nothing to celebrate, given that in many cases the only reason a species is deemed on the mend is because officials overstated the problem in the first place.

Take PMV for example, (Pierson's Milk Vetch). The ESA/CBD claimed to the press many times that there were only 6 plants remaining south of HWY 8 in the Imperial Sand Dunes Recreation Area.

BUT... according to the BLM, there are over 1,800,000 of them!

http://www.glamisonline.org/downloads/BLMpmvNR9_052.JPG

[forrest]

So in your opinion we should just give up?
I say NEVER!

Diebold, Hear This: We Won't Rest! (scdc.sccs.swarthmore.edu/diebold/)

Peace & Love forrest

[morningsunshine]

While the ESA has done an abysmal job in its primary function to propect wildlife, it's done a fine job of choking the habitat of another species: humans; it has done far more to harm property rights than it has to save supposedly vunerable plants and animals.


Yeah, because humans are real pressed for space, the pandas in china that are starving to death because they can't survive without bamboo sure have a lot of room to roam in their continually shrinking environment... and those buffalo have all the room that they used to, funny, I don't see them roaming their old stomping grounds... maybe because now they're CITIES... there are six billion people on earth and less than 3600 white tigers left in the world. Yeah, it sucks. But all these people NEED MORE ROOM. AND MORE GAS. AND MORE DANGEROUS CHEMICALS TO PRESERVE OUR FOOD. MORE MORE MORE. Our habitat is being choked, someone should do something about these invading animals...

[okiemama]

--- "We all agree with the intentions of the Endangered Species Act, but out of the almost 1,300 species listed over the past 30 years, only 10 have been recovered and de-listed."


Ever think that the reason they can't save or re-establish animal populations is that most people can't seem to care or get involved? Apathy will kill us all. (Even humans, eventually. We are only animals ourselves, after all!)

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Ever think that the reason they can't save or re-establish animal populations is that most people can't seem to care or get involved? Apathy will kill us all. (Even humans, eventually. We are only animals ourselves, after all!)

I don't really care WHAT the reason is. The bottom line is that it's NOT working. Something else needs to be done. Just because you keep throwing money and personal property on the problem does not mean it's getting fixed.

[tlranger]

Kansas native managed to find some stinky 'musk' turtles this summer. Thought to have been extinct the last fifty years, When found, the experts moved in and trapped all they could.
With the govt. help, turkey populations in the state are at all time highs, it's to bad the native quail and praire chickens have had to pay the price, their gone.
Deer are now a money sport here, largely due to the efforts of the state. We now have many more auto accidents(I've hit three-killed 0-major damage). We now have mountain lion(three attacks on persons, two where on running trails). We now have bears, first sightings in 70 years in my county. In the spirit of my gggreat uncle Davy Crockett, I wouldn't mind coming face to face with a bear, but now, my buds in the fields have one more or two more reasons to be paranoid.
Don't get me wrong, I think I'll always cheer for the underdog, but so often the expert is more interested in your billfold than the job, and the animals suffer. They started an animal chiropractic clinic nearby this year.
I think that the enviroment is one place each person can do many little small things that really do add up, recycle, reuse, habitats, conservation. The Indians lived here for a long time, and didn't f*ck it up to bad, what did we do, elected a brush cuttin' fool.

Peace T L Ranger