Saddam???????

[forrest]

How sad! (www.bushflash.com/thanks.html)


"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"---James Madison, fourth U.S. president, 1751-1836

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

How sad! (www.bushflash.com/thanks.html)


"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"---James Madison, fourth U.S. president, 1751-1836

Damn. That's NEVER happened before, has it?

:bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

[forrest]

Damn. That's NEVER happened before, has it?

:bawl: :bawl: :bawl:

Damn. This has never happened before, has it? (www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm)

[LIBRA]

oh my god, I am speechless and in tears, those pictures are horrid.
I can not even express how sad it makes me, its sickening.

[forrest]

oh my god, I am speechless and in tears, those pictures are horrid.
I can not even express how sad it makes me, its sickening.

I feel with you :bawl:

But it opens the stage for this! Scroll to WE ARE ONE-THE GOLDEN RULES (www.experiencefestival.com/community) :)

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

oh my god, I am speechless and in tears, those pictures are horrid.
I can not even express how sad it makes me, its sickening.

Agreed! Isn't it amazing how, when terrorists target and kill women and children, (like they've been doing for CENTURIES), it's somehow really the US that killed them???


Damn. This has never happened before, has it?


Perhaps you missed the memo during bush's trial...? (http://www.happyhippie.com/vb/showpost.php?p=21639&postcount=10)

Here's a recap...

Wow, are you blind AND retarded?

Here's a link to a site that has the statistics on civilian casualties.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/

Something to note about the site:



Note that they said 'resulting directly from military action by the USA'. When you read the "TARGET" and "WEAPON" columns, you will see that the bulk of those deaths WERE NOT CAUSED BY US FORCES, they were caused by the terrorists, (freedom fighters as you would call them)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/FukNRekd/Other/targets.jpg

The next BS line you'll try to use is that if the US wasn't there, the casualties wouldn't have happened.

Yes. They would have. Even worse.

Read below from this (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=3889&R=C495A28)site.

I've highlighted some key points for you so you don't have to read the whole thing if you don't want to, but you should.



I'm out of space, continued on next post...

[forrest]

Your bs is deep, but I have a special pair of neck high waders! :D
Cluster Bombs Turn Iraq into a Minefield (www.tierramerica.org/english/2003/0414/iarticulo.shtml)

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"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."---James Madison, fourth U.S. president, 1751-1836

[Longhairedskinnywhiteboy]

Your bs is deep, but I have a special pair of neck high waders! :D
Cluster Bombs Turn Iraq into a Minefield (www.tierramerica.org/english/2003/0414/iarticulo.shtml)


I think your waders are cutting off the blood flow to your brain. :p

I never said NO casualties were caused by the US. I said MOST were caused, and targeted as such, by terrorists. Again, no matter how badly you want it to be, the US does what ever it can, including the lives of it's own people, to reduce civilian casualties.

From your link.

The initial counts of civilian casualties reached 1,300

Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's 3,000. Of the 30,163 civilian casualties to date, that leaves 90% NOT killed by your cluster bombing raids on civilian targets. ;)

[forrest]

It's a cluster f*%K (www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/24/eveningnews/main537928.shtml)

Mama always said, "stupid is as stupid ????." :animal-sm :sprachlos

Love & Peace forrest
p.s. notice the date, Iraq was still in one piece and had more peace then they do now!

REALITY CHECK! (electroniciraq.net)

[okiemama]

Gotta love this quote -- "If Shock and Awe works, there won't be a ground war." ROFL


Now there are a few comments I'd like to make here. First, arguing about how many lives we have saved in this war is specious, at best. Mostly I consider it an exercise in futility. We have no idea how many would've died under Hussein, and there is no way to predict something that didn't happen. Yes, the man was a horrid dictator, installed by our own gov't. That has been known for many years. However, my basic problem with this war goes back to the fact that we totally usurped their sovereignty, their right to determine their own destiny and future. If the Iraqi society had been ready for revolution, it would have happened of its own accord. As it is, we jumped the timetable ahead tremendously, skipping over several essential steps in the process. Now what we have is a small, thankful contingent of Iraqis, and a large portion of them that simply see this as more American interference in their affairs. You think they don't know we installed that man?! (What I really suspect is that the Iraqi people would have revolted at some near future point and "we" were afraid it wouldn't go the way "we" wanted it to. Thus the need to intervene before it got to that point.)

But the real tragedy is that now we are embroiled in something that isn't good for our country's image, our troops and their morale, our people at home (on any side of this issue), and certainly not the Iraqi people. Not to mention all the rest of the Arabic world, or anywhere else that already had a disposition to dislike us. Am I saying that everyone should like America? Hell no! But I am saying we have to take those things into account in the decisions we make. This was not a smart decision. It will be very hard to disentangle ourselves from this mess, and there is no way to do it gracefully or with diginity for any involved. People have been killing and maiming one another since the beginning of time over ignorant things. We can just do it from farther away now and with a great lot more nasty damage these days. War has always been horrific and brutal, and probably, what, 95% of the time started over land, goods, or resources someone decided they wanted for themselves.

It also bothers me tremendously this push to Americanize the world. As I heard it last night, "to export the values of this country". God help us! How frightening! We are so corrupt, from the top to the bottom in this country. How self-righteous! How delusionary! How amazingly arrogant! And since when are we the end-all, be-all for values? What a crock. And who says we have the right to push our "American values" on anyone else to begin with?! Hell, we can't even decide what those are amongst ourselves most of the time! This angers me to no end. Pride comes before a fall, people, and we stepped off the cliff long ago. We're just still falling slowly. Makes you wonder how long this drop is going to be, and how nasty the stop at the end really is...

[mamasharones]

How sad! (www.bushflash.com/thanks.html)


"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"---James Madison, fourth U.S. president, 1751-1836


Thanks for showing that site. It's unfortunate the events that are ocurring right now. But it did lead me to this quote from Martin luther king

"Don't let anybody make you think God chose America as his divine messianic force to be - a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems I can hear God saying to America "you are too arrogant, and if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God. Men will beat their swords into plowshafts and their spears into pruning hooks, and nations shall not rise up against nations, neither shall they study war anymore." I don't know about you, I ain't going to study war anymore."



Peace!