I was wondering...

[okiemama]

what y'all might think about the immigration policy you-know-who is running around pushing right now? and the only reason i ask is because something has been bothering me about this. illegal is illegal, yes? i mean that is what they keep hollering at us about things like oh, say, pot? there is no leeway, "no tolerance", the whole "we do not negotiate with terrorists" type mentality. so why (other than the obvious answer of money) this softness here? is it to give us something else to fight about amongst ourselves so that we don't see the "man behind the curtain" and what might really be going on? or is it truly nothing but economic manipulation for cheap labor and a workforce that will take some abuse? or could it be that the idea is simply to come up with some way to document these people so that the database of known persons that we keep is that much more complete? more likely it is a combination of factors from all, or maybe, none of these.

it will be interesting to see where this will lead, more for the further future aspects of it than the immediate future ones.

[forrest]

what y'all might think about the immigration policy you-know-who is running around pushing right now? and the only reason i ask is because something has been bothering me about this. illegal is illegal, yes? i mean that is what they keep hollering at us about things like oh, say, pot? there is no leeway, "no tolerance", the whole "we do not negotiate with terrorists" type mentality. so why (other than the obvious answer of money) this softness here? is it to give us something else to fight about amongst ourselves so that we don't see the "man behind the curtain" and what might really be going on? or is it truly nothing but economic manipulation for cheap labor and a workforce that will take some abuse? or could it be that the idea is simply to come up with some way to document these people so that the database of known persons that we keep is that much more complete? more likely it is a combination of factors from all, or maybe, none of these.

it will be interesting to see where this will lead, more for the further future aspects of it than the immediate future ones.

It's cheap labor and the running over of Human rights that keeps it going!
Workman comp claim = deportation
pay complaint = deportation........etc.
working condition's complaint = deportation

Send Arnuld back! (www.arnoldwatch.org)

Also it keeps confusion going to steal pass the real problem!
Bushites! (www.motherearth.org/bushwanted/bushpdf.pdf)

Take what I say in a different way and it's easy to that this is all confusion~YES

[Dead Fan]

I dont see why they dont just legalizes imigration since NAFTA came around all our jobs went there anyways and maybe if we forced these buissinesses to pay equal wages as far as minimums and quit fucking the mexicans then more Americans will be hired. Also I do know that Mexicans in factories dont try to get unions going. My brother in law got fired for trying to start one. The government is getting fuckin stupid. This country gets any stupider and Im movin to Ireland.

[okiemama]

it's kind of interesting. most of the illegals here will only work for at least the wages being paid to the others. they mostly work the under the table jobs. i think what it is, though, is that most employers are suspicious of any "regular" Americans that want to do that sort of work. it's this whole idea that Americans can't possibly be as poor as that without some other underlying issue. which is true probably 50% of the time, but there are also a lot of really poor people that just need the work. most of us won't go anywhere near welfare because, to put it bluntly, we're just too damn proud to touch it. but we can't afford the payroll taxes either, and still have enough to live. so under the table work is really appealing. (yes, i know it is illegal, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do to survive.) i get really sick of the people running around spouting that they are only taking the jobs Americans don't want. it is such a crock. makes us sound like a bunch of shiftless, lazy people, who won't work manual labor jobs. at the rate this country is losing jobs, there will be more and more of us who need exactly those kind of jobs.

"There were meatless nights, even in America." i read that recently in a sci-fi book. it struck me pretty sharply, because it is becoming true, and quickly. we are already one of those families, and i know others that are too.