Who else is pissed at NY?

[FreedomEagle]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/23/bouncer.indictment/index.html

Stupid state doesn't have the death penalty so this guy is going to live rather than be provided with a slow painful death. HE IS A PLAGUE ON THIS EARTH AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED

[Dead Fan]

I agree if he is a rapeist he must die. ALL RAPEISTS MUST DIE!!!

[FreedomEagle]

I agree if he is a rapeist he must die. ALL RAPEISTS MUST DIE!!!

and hopefully you also agree it's spell "RAPIST" ;)

[Pedata]

Personally, I think all rapists (rapeists) should be castrated.

[LIBRA]

People are sick, mentally sick. They will never be right, ever. I just dont get how or why someone would or could do that shit.

Im with Pedata, cut it off and see how they enjoy the rest of there sorry lives

[BandAide]

I guess this wont be a popular opinion, but I don't believe in the death penalty. There have certainly been a few horrible crimes that have taxed this belief of mine and stretched it to the limit, but just as I believe that all people are born good and are taught to be bad. I believe that when they become bad, society kills them off because we don't want them to be our problem any more. We don't want to take responsiblity for them when they are slipping through the cracks by creating the correct institution that would signal this type of criminal before they grow into themselves (which is possible- look at other countries without our sex and hate crime rates) and then we don't want to take the time to help and heal these people after they've committed the crimes because they are criminals who have done unforgivable things.

My belief if that people who do these things must be one of two things: they must be either coming from either a situation that has done unforgiveable things to them or they are mentally very ill. Though neither of these are excuses for their actions, I do not think either justify the punishment of death.

Of course, this is just another opion... clearly much of our country doesn't agree with me.

[forestsalmon]

Stupid state doesn't have the death penalty so this guy is going to live rather than be provided with a slow painful death. HE IS A PLAGUE ON THIS EARTH AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED

"True benevolence, or compassion, extends itself through the whole of existence and sympathises with the distress of every creature capable of sensation.




i am not up on the actual story y'all are chattinig about, but freedomEagle, your statement is incongruent/ incompatible with your sig.line. sorry, gotta call it out.

[PEACE FROG]

I agree with bandaid. I think anyone can love someone who is perfect. It truely shows spiritual maturity to show love and compassion towards someone who has comitted an unspeakable act. Also, forestsalmon is right eagle. :o

[orchid]

I must agree with those of you whom are opposed to the death penalty. To me, it is barbaric. I simply don't see how we can heal and end the cycles of violence within our society with more violence...
Violence + Violence = More Violence


I know this is sort of off the subject, but I need to rant for a moment: What is it with these right wingers who call themselves Christain, oppose a woman's right to choose on the grounds that it is murder, and then support the death penalty at the same time? Is the death penalty not murder? Is this not insanely hypocritical?

I'm not Christian, so if anyone has a clue, please fill me in.

Peace,
O

[Pedata]

What is it with these right wingers who call themselves Christain, oppose a woman's right to choose on the grounds that it is murder, and then support the death penalty at the same time? Is the death penalty not murder? Is this not insanely hypocritical?

I'm not Christian, so if anyone has a clue, please fill me in.

Peace,
O
I'm a Christian and have been to many churches.

I've noticed that most of the right wingers seem to have an ultimate faith and belief in republican politicians. God seems to be in second place.

They all say they're anti-abortion, until thier 13 year old daughter gets pregnant. Then it's different.

They confuse patrotism with spirituality.

I called them churches but I think they're mostly clubs where like-minded individuals get together.

I don't go anymore.

Now, I have the JW's pestering me.

[FreedomEagle]

but just as I believe that all people are born good and are taught to be bad.

It's very easy to point out the flaw in your logic. sorry. :hippie:

[FreedomEagle]

i am not up on the actual story y'all are chattinig about, but freedomEagle, your statement is incongruent/ incompatible with your sig.line. sorry, gotta call it out.

sorry i forgot to add the "exception to every rule"

*child molesters, rapist, serial killers, pedophiles, etc. need to be taught a lesson.

[Not_A_Troll]

I must agree with those of you whom are opposed to the death penalty. To me, it is barbaric. I simply don't see how we can heal and end the cycles of violence within our society with more violence...
Violence + Violence = More Violence


I know this is sort of off the subject, but I need to rant for a moment: What is it with these right wingers who call themselves Christain, oppose a woman's right to choose on the grounds that it is murder, and then support the death penalty at the same time? Is the death penalty not murder? Is this not insanely hypocritical?

I'm not Christian, so if anyone has a clue, please fill me in.

Peace,
O

It's not necessarily just "christians" that think this way--so please don't paint this as a "christian" versus "non-christian" dilemma. The laws that govern this wonderful country are, in many cases, ironic and hypocritical. If a woman chooses to end a childs life before it's born, it's "pro-choice" and not considered murder in most places. Yet, a person can be charged for TWO murders if they kill a pregnant woman (one murder for the woman, one murder for the unborn baby).

Is it any less of a "crime" if the mother of the child decides to end it's life prematurely? Is the fetus not an actual person if the mother chooses to end it's life, but suddenly if somebody else does--the classification of the prenatal baby is changed and it's considered murder?

[forestsalmon]

sorry i forgot to add the "exception to every rule"

*child molesters, rapist, serial killers, pedophiles, etc. need to be taught a lesson.


There is no 'exception' to compassion, not when one truly understands what it is. you should remove or change your tag line if you don't believe it, or at least amend it to include your exception. Often, those most "needing to be taught a lesson" are the least aware of it. your response here is merely an attetemp at self-justification, to keep yourself in the right.

And if the logic in Bandaide's comment is so easy, please make it for us so we can all understand.

[Not_A_Troll]

I'm a Christian and have been to many churches.

I've noticed that most of the right wingers seem to have an ultimate faith and belief in republican politicians. God seems to be in second place.

They all say they're anti-abortion, until thier 13 year old daughter gets pregnant. Then it's different.

They confuse patrotism with spirituality.

I called them churches but I think they're mostly clubs where like-minded individuals get together.

I don't go anymore.

Now, I have the JW's pestering me.


Pedata, I understand what you are saying, but the same logic can be applied to people that oppose the death penalty.

Lets say you are a staunch anti-death penalty advocate. One night, a man breaks into your house, rapes your children, then kills them right in front of you. Do you think your views on the death penalty might change a little bit? Or would you still think that we should give this person a second chance?

^^
While I hope a situation like that never occurrs to any of us, horrible things happen like this every day. Know why there is little crime in some parts of the world (such as Singapore)? Because potential criminals understand that the punishment for committing their crimes will be swift and harsh. If you traffic drugs and you are caught, you will be killed by the government immediately after your conviction. Will you be likely to traffic drugs any time soon? Probably not...unfortunately I think we are too lenient on many people committing egregious felonies such as rape, child molestation, and even murder here in the U.S.

[forestsalmon]

*
__________________
True benevolence, or compassion, extends itself through the whole of existence and sympathises with the distress of every creature capable of sensation; except child molesters, rapist, serial killers, pedophiles, etc., and others needing to be taught a lesson.

Emphasis on "True benevolence" . . . .

[orchid]

It's not necessarily just "christians" that think this way--so please don't paint this as a "christian" versus "non-christian" dilemma. The laws that govern this wonderful country are, in many cases, ironic and hypocritical.

Not a troll,

Thanks for your well thought out post.

You’re right. It isn’t just a Christian v/ non-Christian thing. In rethinking my post, I see that my frustration isn’t necessarily directed toward Christians or Christianity, but with the rampant hypocrisy and fake morals that pervade American politics and American society in general.

Honestly, Christians are an easy target because so many of our countries’ leaders identify themselves as such. For example: Our very own Commander in Chief, George W. Bush, who signed something like 152 death warrants (more than any other person in recent history) while he was the governor of Texas.

The Sixth Commandment is “thou shalt not kill,” isn’t it? Are there exceptions to this rule? Personally, I’ve never noticed a disclaimer on those 10 basic precepts of Judeo / Christian behavior… Can you imagine?

VI. * Thou shalt not kill
VII. * Thou shalt not commit adultery
VIII. * Thou shalt not steal…

*Other rules and regulations may apply. 10 commandments subject to change without notice, subject to varied interpretations and prevailing political and social convenience.

[FreedomEagle]

And if the logic in Bandaide's comment is so easy, please make it for us so we can all understand.

Romans 3:23

(and we said we weren't going to mix this with religion) :D

[Heresy]

I am 100% against the death penalty. It just really doesn't make sense to me. Although I suppose it doesn't matter all that much. I mean it's not like they would live forever if they weren't killed by the government. It's just death.

Ahhh-well. It's not the law's place to kill, and I guess my view is as simple as that. No religion, no politics, no morality, no violence begets violence. I just don't believe that state and local governments have the authority to end a life.

I'm all for killin people, don't get me wrong, just not some jacked boot nazi state trooper or envious small time circuit judge flippin the switch

[forestsalmon]

justs becaus eit says so in the bible, doesn't make it so, especially if you're using it to substantiate an argument based on logic. other religions do not shre the views in romans.

[FreedomEagle]

I am 100% against the death penalty.



I'm all for killin people, don't get me wrong,


I'm so confused.

[FreedomEagle]

justs becaus eit says so in the bible, doesn't make it so, especially if you're using it to substantiate an argument based on logic. other religions do not shre the views in romans.

<-steps back to avoid lightning.

[forestsalmon]

you win .

[forrest]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/23/bouncer.indictment/index.html

Stupid state doesn't have the death penalty so this guy is going to live rather than be provided with a slow painful death. HE IS A PLAGUE ON THIS EARTH AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED

The death penalty is too easy, do you have any idea what will happen to him doing life with a bunch of horney punks? :group_hug

Squeal like a pig!

[Heresy]

I'm so confused.


re read the post.
I'l all for people killing people...I am NOT all for the GOVERNMENT killing people and calling it "justice".

people have been killing people since before there was language...it's barbaric, its sad, its natural, it part of out being. I just don't dig on the government...an abstract imaginary entity claiming it can dole out justice by death. Abstraction and reality should never meet like that, its an aberation

[Pistolero]

I am against the death penalty too. For many reasons. I agree with those who see it as a test of our morality and compassion, but I don't need to have something happen to a family member to think..."yeah, but some of these fuckers should fry". The biggest reason I'm against the death penalty is because too many innocent people have died. And how many dishonest police are out there?....not to mention the current political climate. The second reason is, as stated by another, in some countries you get executed for other "crimes". That's my point. Why not lower the bar? I guarantee you that the death penalty doesn't in any way lower extreme violent and sick crimes. But it would totally put an end to jay walking. Also, we need to learn from some of these sick people. There seems to be more and more of them. The right wingers like to clump it all into "good and bad", or good vs. evil. There are severe mental disorders out there. How come America has seventy five percent of the serial killers in the world? Many of them grow up in environments where "good and evil" or religion was stuffed down there throats.

[Heresy]

I am against the death penalty too. For many reasons. I agree with those who see it as a test of our morality and compassion, but I don't need to have something happen to a family member to think..."yeah, but some of these fuckers should fry". The biggest reason I'm against the death penalty is because too many innocent people have died. And how many dishonest police are out there?....not to mention the current political climate. The second reason is, as stated by another, in some countries you get executed for other "crimes". That's my point. Why not lower the bar? I guarantee you that the death penalty doesn't in any way lower extreme violent and sick crimes. But it would totally put an end to jay walking. Also, we need to learn from some of these sick people. There seems to be more and more of them. The right wingers like to clump it all into "good and bad", or good vs. evil. There are severe mental disorders out there. How come America has seventy five percent of the serial killers in the world? Many of them grow up in environments where "good and evil" or religion was stuffed down there throats.

75% of REPORTED serial killers. I'm sure it goes on a lot more in other places...they just get away, or the links aren't made by police, r there's no investigation to begin with.

I love it when people justify the death penalty as a government savings..."Well then my tax dollars will be keeping him alive"....That's my favorite I think. Idiots.

[BandAide]

I know, as far as cost effectiveness goes, it costs more to kill these people than it does to keep them sheltered and fed for the rest of their lives because their appeals processes for death roe are so expensive. The tax payers are sporting the bill for that as well!