Illegal aliens

[toman]

Congregating to protest? WTF America, this is what the National Gaurd is for. They're all in one place, round 'em up, shoot the ones who fight, and forcibly eject them from the country. Seriously, this country needs to grow some balls if we have any hope for our future. You say we need Mexicans to pick our berries? If that's really the case, then our system is broken. Instead of letting crime (yes, illegal aliens are international criminals) run rampant while the white middle class evaporates, let's stand up and fix the system!

I urge you, go make a sign, go downtown, and say it loud and proud: We don't want to live among criminals!

[unclejoe]

?????longhairedskinnywhiteboy??????


:confused: who peed in your corn flakes?


...this country needs to grow some balls if we have any hope for our future.interesting comment from someone who has no information on your member profile.

[toman]

interesting comment from someone who has no information on your member profile.

And that means... That in order to put information on a web profile that one must have great big balls? ;)

[PEACE FROG]

Those folks have babies here. Those children are Americans. Why do you want to seperate American children from their parents? If someone wants to have a chance to escape poverty and the oprintunity to raise healthy, well educated children, I say, go for it! That would really make me proud if our country still operated that way. We all originally came here that way from somewhere. It's all so much like fleas arguing over who owns the dog anyways. I wish everyone would just fuck each other till everyone is one color, then we'd all look like beautiful Brazillian people. Then we could move on. ;) :D

[toman]

So the established protocalls of aquiring citzenship mean nothing? They should be abolished, allowing every person in the world desiring free healthcare, free food and abundant employment to become American citizens with no effort or qualification? You want a world of one brown race? Since when do the laws of genetics not apply to human beings? Seriously, this leftist propaganda is illogical and destructive, and needs to be addressed! Here's a homework assignment; do some research into breeding working dogs, the temperment, metal stability, working ability and physical health issues encountered when dealing with the genetics of purebred dogs, let along mixed breeds. Then consider why it is we in America seem to believe none of this knowledge applys to us, because we, as humans, seem to be above nature and genetics. So sure flame on about my comparing humans to dogs, but honestly, just think about it. :cheers:

[LIBRA]

Well living in PA it really doesnt effect me, in an in my face kinda way. Other then the news and from family I have out west. I think we should have border control that actually works, thats a good idea all the way around. But to kick people out that have lived here, have had children here is wrong and not what america should be about. We need to work on the present and the future instead of the past. Move forward not back. Its our fault there here and now there needed.

I never understood racism, I guess it because if where I came from, Ive never had to directly deal with it. I dont dislike anyone untill they do something shitty to me personally.

Now what are you saying about the whole mix breeding thing? I thought pure breeds died quicker and had more problems in there life time? Dogs anyway. Its the muts that live forever and are for the most part healthier.


LONG LIVE THE MUTS!!!!!! ;)

[PEACE FROG]

So the established protocalls of aquiring citzenship mean nothing? They should be abolished, allowing every person in the world desiring free healthcare, free food and abundant employment to become American citizens with no effort or qualification? You want a world of one brown race? Since when do the laws of genetics not apply to human beings? Seriously, this leftist propaganda is illogical and destructive, and needs to be addressed! Here's a homework assignment; do some research into breeding working dogs, the temperment, metal stability, working ability and physical health issues encountered when dealing with the genetics of purebred dogs, let along mixed breeds. Then consider why it is we in America seem to believe none of this knowledge applys to us, because we, as humans, seem to be above nature and genetics. So sure flame on about my comparing humans to dogs, but honestly, just think about it. :cheers: Who is pure anything? I don't care what color folks turn out thats not the point. Maybe even the fuck I refer to is a mind fuck, it is, after all perceptions that need change. And whats wrong with brazillians? :D

[toman]

Who is pure anything? I don't care what color folks turn out thats not the point. Maybe even the fuck I refer to is a mind fuck, it is, after all perceptions that need change. And whats wrong with brazillians? :D

Hahah... nice! This thread has sort of derailed from illegal aliens and into race, so let's get back to the original topic. We can have another thread to discuss race and genetics issues... :D The problem is this: Do I have sympathy for these aliens? Of course I do. They're human beings just like the rest of us, and they have the same goals, needs and feelings we all do. I may be by definition a racist, but I don't feel that all Mexicans are inferior humans, and really, race has nothing to do with the issue. I don't care if a person is an Irish-desended, mexican born citizen; if they're living in the US (or any other country) illegaly, they're a criminal! You simply can't justify crime on the basis of human emotion. Ok, so the bank robber needed 100k to pay for his brain damaged sister to have an operation. Sympathetic? Sure. Does he deserve to keep the money and face no repercussions? Of course not! It's the same scenario with the aliens; of course we can understand what they're dealing with, but we can't sanction and endorse crime, especially on such a huge scale that it's eroding and undermining an entire culture and society! Laws exist to maintain a social structure and to protect the people. When the laws are broken, regardless of how sympathetic the case may be or how insignificant the crimes may seem, people get hurt. Simple. :bandit:

[LIBRA]

wow well put man, toman ;)

[PEACE FROG]

Okay, good point, but not quite ready to start goose stepping with you yet Mr. Duke. However I do believe your statement supports my opinion that JAY-WALKERS should recieve death by lethal injection, lawless bastards! ;)

[unclejoe]

my guess is that toman did not grow up (still) in an immigrant neighborhood and is probably from a family that has been in this country for more than four generations.
a mono-cultural background does not make a worthy starting point
for spouting off (talking s@#$) about a subject you've NO real experience with.
sod off, durok.

[toman]

I love it when people make assumptions and prove themselves the fool... I am the third generation of two Swedish immigrants, both of whom came to this country legally in search of a better life than they had in the old country. My great grandmother came here with nothing, and worked cleaning houses for society folk on the east coast. My great grandfather went to Alaska, and worked building rail trestles for logging operations. Also, I have lived my entire life in a city with a very high percentage of Mexican immigrants, a very active rural farming culture, and a serious problem with both latino and black gangs in the city. I think I have some ground to stand on when it comes to this issue; I see the effects every day, and I'm well aware of what the American Dream is, and the fact that if a person is honest and decent, he can come to this country, legally, and make himself a success and live a good, full life. :D

[unclejoe]

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[NCW_Woodnymph]

Could it be that what needs changed is the law? We need the immagrants to do the jobs we Americans are to lazy and spoiled to do but, I'm not interested in paying for the ones who come here to live on our wellfare system. We need to allow more people in legally and change our wellfare laws to help people, not support them.

[unclejoe]

immigration today is not what it was 120 years ago.

most who come to this country are not 'criminals'. they are
decent law abiding contributing members of the community.

many do not go on welfare for fear of being persecuted,
i.e. recent after-midnight no-knock, kick-in-the-door,
automatic-weapons-at-the-ready 'round ups'
around the country have terrorized innocent people.

putting them into the same category as
bank robbers and gang members is ignorant.

the current paranoia driven legislation is not the answer.
the laws do need to be revised to allow those already here to become legitimized.
documenting steady work and a clean criminal record would be the starting point.

[unclejoe]

Portland, Oregon, as of 2000, the racial makeup of the city is :

77.91% White
6.64% African American
6.33% Asian
1.06% Native American
0.38% Pacific Islander
3.55% from other races and
4.15% from two or more races.

6.81% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

[NCW_Woodnymph]

Most cities (yes Portland is a city) aren't where the problem is. Check the statistics for rural eastern Oregon. I can't remember which county it is but, one of the counties in Washington is now officially 52% latino.

[PEACE FROG]

Most cities (yes Portland is a city) aren't where the problem is. Check the statistics for rural eastern Oregon. I can't remember which county it is but, one of the counties in Washington is now officially 52% latino.
What exactly is the problem? :)

[unclejoe]

a large number of legal immigrants that come here from
Eastern Europe get quite a handout from the government.
SSI, food stamps, welfare, unemployment counseling and training,
housing assistance and the list goes on.

the 'drain' on the system seems to be the rabid attitudes and
Gestapo methods employed by the federal government.

a raid on a chicken processing plant rounded up
and deported some 150 or so "criminals".
the result, the town where they conducted their "criminal" activities
is now facing ghost town status.

three cheers ( :aetsch013 ) for ICE.

[NCW_Woodnymph]

What exactly is the problem? :)
Your right. "Problem" was the wrong word. I ment the issue at hand.

[PEACE FROG]

Your right. "Problem" was the wrong word. I ment the issue at hand. No worries, just thought I was missing something, or we were assuming that Mexican imigrants all go on welfare. You know, I used to be a manager at a major home improvement retailer. Do you know who was making most of the big ticket purchases? Yep the discusting criminal mexicans. The upstanding white folks are over at the returns counter trying to lie cheat and steal to get something for nothing. I really believe that we need to get over ourselves. Most of the biggest mouths on the subject are living off the fruits of our forefathers and don't contribute to society much anyway. I say share the blessings, thats what they're for, and that is a blessing in it's self. Except for those damn dirty IRISH! :D ;)

[NCW_Woodnymph]

I agree that we should "share the blessings". That is the American dream after all. That's why I believe the laws need a major change. I believe the majority of the illegal imigrants would be legal imigrants if they could be.
Speaking of the Irish, I think it's funny (in a sad way) that we never manage to learn from the past. Whenever people imigrate in large numbers the current population over reacts. The Irish didn't ruin America, the Chinese didn't ruin America, the (insert imigrant group here) didn't ruin America. If fact, most of my generation (20 somethings) doesn't even think or these groups anymore. The imagrants are almost always very hard working and do the jobs that keep this country running, until they truely assimilate and turn into lazy Americans. :)

[PEACE FROG]

I also however think it rather odd that not one imigration agent or homeland security dude thought it prudent to round their asses up. I mean c' mon it would be like fishing a recently stocked lake. :p ;)

[NCW_Woodnymph]

I think the government had better things to do back then. :D

[country]

Ask the American Indian what happens when you don't control immergration.

[Yossarian]

^^^ That reminds me of a great shirt I once saw being sold in Union Square. It had a picture of several Plains Indians and said "Homeland Security: Protecting America since 1492."

[mrhairsuit]

Wow, I've been away from the site for awhile and things have really heated up! I'm an alien with a very hard earned Visa. Part of the system is in place to ensure that every American who is deserving of work, at all levels, has that opportunity. Toman's issue seems to focus on illegal Mexicans. I'm sure there are others. Anyway, back to the point...employment. The one thing that I do observe (here in sunny SoCal) is that the majority of illegals from Mexico, seem to be taking on the tasks that no one else wants. so the matter isn't quite clear cut. The cost of immigration is high. These people can't afford it. So, are they decent, well meaning law abiding non citizens who should be given a chance, or are they to be cast out. Perhaps the government should establish a method for these people to pay for their legal processing if they have proven to be qualifiable. It's such a grey area and difficult to determine. On one side, I'm hard nosed about it because I've paid thousands of dollars to be here. On the other, the experience that I've witnessed is that many of these workers are looking for a better life and they're willing to work hard to do so. If they actually benefit the economy, then perhaps my suggestion of allowing them to find a way to become legal is to get them to pay a fee over several years to justify a work visa. I know many farms are looking for migrant workers to fill their needs. Perhaps this is the workforce that can do that. Perhaps they should be required to report in on a regular basis to a social worker to determine if they are contributing citizens. If they fail to report, they are then transported out. Some will disappear, but many will be caught. As I type this, I realized that I haven't offered any solutions here, but there must be a fair and humane process to work out on this problem. One that benefits all. That said, I like Peace's idea of everyone fucking. What more fun could that be? Well, the '70's were easier, 'cause we only had VD to contend with.

[PEACE FROG]

I have wondered how come the Mexicans dont reform there own government so as to give their people an honest chance. They could become a agricultural super power. Billions are always needing food. All my life I've heard about how corrupt their government is, why dont they fix things at home?

[toman]

It seems as though leftists are always of the impression that anti-alien people are right wing freaks, but they don't seem to be aware that the right-wingers are the bigest supporters (and benifit the most) from illegal aliens. The right wing wants as many illegal workers as they can get, because for them, it's virtually free (slave) labor. And this comes at the expense of the white middle class, which is virtually non-existant anymore. Sure, Americans don't want to do the jobs Mexicans are doing, but if there were no Mexicans to do the jobs, Americans would be forced to do them just like we used to. Does anyone remember when a high school graduate in this country could work at an ordinary job, say, a grocery checker, and afford to support a wife and kids? Now, that can't hapen, because the entire structure has shifted. Grocery checkers, instead of being the responsible, mature middle aged family men of the past, are now pimple-faced mush brained teenagers and half-brained whackos. In order to live an ordinary middle class life, a person now needs a $100,000 degree, a shitty office job, a working wife and daycare 24/7 in order to survive. This isn't right, and illegal aliens are a large part of the problem. And I don't mean to shovel our country's entire social/economic issues onto one problem group, but you have to admit that this is a large part of the problem...

[LIBRA]

ya an older people bag my groceries perfecto!! not all smooshed and funked up. ;) I hate that.

[toman]

Exactly. A mature person who underdstands and cares that if you bag bar soap right next to the bread, your bread is going to taste like soap. Or that if you pack heavy cans on top of a squeeze bottle, the bottle is going to burst open and spew mustard all over your bananas. Not some punk with a lip ring who's mommy packs him off to his summer job every day with a PB&J and who has never done a load of laundry in his life, and then gives you lip when you ask for a rubber band around your egg carton. :D

[BandAide]

Sure, Americans don't want to do the jobs Mexicans are doing, but if there were no Mexicans to do the jobs, Americans would be forced to do them just like we used to. Does anyone remember when a high school graduate in this country could work at an ordinary job, say, a grocery checker, and afford to support a wife and kids? Now, that can't hapen, because the entire structure has shifted. Grocery checkers, instead of being the responsible, mature middle aged family men of the past, are now pimple-faced mush brained teenagers and half-brained whackos. In order to live an ordinary middle class life, a person now needs a $100,000 degree, a shitty office job, a working wife and daycare 24/7 in order to survive. This isn't right, and illegal aliens are a large part of the problem. And I don't mean to shovel our country's entire social/economic issues onto one problem group, but you have to admit that this is a large part of the problem...[/QUOTE]

People immigrating to America illegally isn't really contributing to this problem. Education has become idealistically easy in our country. People who don't desire education still go and get one because they want better jobs. College is an attainable goal for just about every person, whether they can afford it or not. The result: we have a lot of really educated people and no enough jobs to support their qualifications.

Also, personally, we do not have 100,000 a year (not even half that) and we live in one of the most populated and expensive states in the country. We live a pretty fine, middle class life and I stay at home with our children while my husband goes to work and to school full time. We own a nice home, have good health care and a membership to the local pool. It is possible.

If I felt threatened in America, I would move to Canada. Legally or not. If one of my children were drafted for a war, I would run and I would go fast.

It is not necessarily the laws in our country that make it so hard for people to come here, it is the finances and the laws in theirs. For instance, I have a friend who moved here from Romania as a teenager. Romania has visa lotteries (as I'm sure many countries do) where people can win the chance, by drawing, to come to America. It is incredibly hard to get a visa. My father hires someone from Costa Rica to do all his contractor work. This mans son was born here, but his wife is also from Costa Rica. He had to send his wife and son back there because they couldn't all be supported here, and he sends his paychecks back. Their family is divided. But they can not live and thrive if they all live in the same place. It's really quite sad.

It's probably our nature to pursue success and happiness. If this success and happiness is hindered and your quality of life is effected by the location in which you were born... move if you can. I doubt that many people immigrate here because of their strong desire to be American. They just want to provide a better life for themselves and their families. If we have to change our laws... we should.

As a matter of fact, I can think of lots of old laws that should be changed. I can think of things in the constitution that should be revised and updated. But that's another post, I suppose.

[country]

No matter how you sugar coat it or how much your liberal heart bleeds for them illegal in my dictionary still means against the law.They are criminals and should be treated as such and any one who hires them or gives them aide should be arrested too.Its time to quit wimpering and hiding behind some morale mask and stand up and do the right thing and the right thing is to round up every illegal and send them back to where they belong.If they want to come to America and work then let them but insist that it's done legally.

[BandAide]

I wish I could just hide behind a "moral mask," but it's really just my face. I hope that my children have faces similar to my own.

[NCW_Woodnymph]

I am getting really tired of people saying we should "round them up and send them home" like that's actually a possibility. If it was possibile it would have been done by now. Also, consider the implications of such action. Half the country would starve (no one to grow and harvest crops) the ones who didn't would have to learn to cook at home (no immagrant kitchen staffs in reasaurants) and forget about staying in hotels (no maids, dishwashers or grounds crews). I'm not saying all these people are illegal but if you just look at the numbers of illegals proposed by the government it should be obvious that if they were all deported at once we would be royally screwed. Yes, they're breaking the law. Yes, that's wrong. But the truth is that we need them here and until the laws are changed there isn't any simple solution.

[country]

thats BS who did all that stuff before they came here? Lets not enforce the laws because they are doing things that help us?I know what lets not enforce any laws and that will eliminate the over crowding of our jail system.That would help us.They are a burden on our economic system and are hurting America much more than they are helpingThey are breaking the law.Thats the truth and another truth is if you,me ,or any other citizen of this country breaks a law they will be arrested and held accountable so whats so special about them that makes them better than me and above the law?

[PEACE FROG]

what we need is a mean ole,' frisbee keepin', dog sickin', old man to yell," hey you 12 million Mezkin kids, GET OFF MY LAWN"!!!!!!!!! :confused:

[toman]

That's great! We'll put our entire senior citizen population to work along the border, give them plenty of bourbon, and arm them all with shotguns loaded up with rocksalt. That should put an end to part of the problem, anyway! :D

[PEACE FROG]

See now, who says senior citizens have-out lived their usefullness.

[NCW_Woodnymph]

thats BS who did all that stuff before they came here? Lets not enforce the laws because they are doing things that help us?I know what lets not enforce any laws and that will eliminate the over crowding of our jail system.That would help us.They are a burden on our economic system and are hurting America much more than they are helpingThey are breaking the law.Thats the truth and another truth is if you,me ,or any other citizen of this country breaks a law they will be arrested and held accountable so whats so special about them that makes them better than me and above the law?

I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce the law. I'm saying we should make laws that are realistic and enforcable. As to who did the jobs before the mexican immegrants, there have been groups of immegrants who did that kind of work practically since the beginning of this country. In areas that there weren't foreign workers there were teenagers, or so I've been told, my generation was to busy driving the cars they're parents gave them to the mall to spend they're parents money. But that's another tangent all together.

[country]

I'm not against immegrants just illegal ones.Thay are a burden on our economy not a positive influence.They don't pay taxes and most don't have auto insurance(as I found out the hard way when one hit my truck and then ran away)a lot of them are criminals (ask the mom and pop stores how they feel when a group od Mexicans come into their store)I've personally seen them raiding the goodwill boxes and stealing from them.They are not contributing to our economy they are sending the money home so more of them can come here.The laws we have are enforceable.I read all the time about the local law not being able to keep them in jail because The Imigration Service tells them to turn them loose.They are here and will stay here because the rich want them here to do the meanual task that they don't want to do themselves.As long as we continue to allow the politicians to line their pockets with money from the rich we will continue to be told that the law is unenforceable and the weak minded will continue to believe anything the government tells them.

[PEACE FROG]

I'm not against immegrants just illegal ones.Thay are a burden on our economy not a positive influence.They don't pay taxes and most don't have auto insurance(as I found out the hard way when one hit my truck and then ran away)a lot of them are criminals (ask the mom and pop stores how they feel when a group od Mexicans come into their store)I've personally seen them raiding the goodwill boxes and stealing from them.They are not contributing to our economy they are sending the money home so more of them can come here.The laws we have are enforceable.I read all the time about the local law not being able to keep them in jail because The Imigration Service tells them to turn them loose.They are here and will stay here because the rich want them here to do the meanual task that they don't want to do themselves.As long as we continue to allow the politicians to line their pockets with money from the rich we will continue to be told that the law is unenforceable and the weak minded will continue to believe anything the government tells them.Dude, we are all just having a discusion here. We, the long time residents of this board, cant resist beating the shit out of a dead horse. Unless said horse is in this country illegally, then we let him go, cuz it does us no good to woop on our beasts of burden. :p

[country]

does that mean you have to be a "long time resident of this board" to have an opinion?

[PEACE FROG]

does that mean you have to be a "long time resident of this board" to have an opinion?Ah .....:confused: no.... settle down Billy Jack! Its kinda like Toman's sig line, not all of us "believe what we say" and some of what we say is just friendly banter. Someone new here might not understand the dynamics of some of the personalities. I just did'nt want you to get offended, but, looking at your last post I guess you might already be. Lets start over..... Hey little brother,what's up? My name's Ed.... :) ;)

[country]

It'll take a lot more than that to offend me.This just happens to be one subject that I have very strong feelings about.Living here in the South I see what not enforcing the law is doing to this country and I don't like what I see.By the way nice to meet you Ed I'm Danny.

[PEACE FROG]

I live in California and there are alot of mexican people here. I see them, I do buisness with them and some are called friend. I have no idea what their legal status is. Now, I know there must be a problem because of the emotional response on this issue across America. However it has'nt been my experience. I see honest hard working family men, with a humble manner reminiscent of the"waltons" or "Little house on the prairie". And when I see this man standing there with his hat in his hand, wife shushing there well dressed little children, about to make his best attempt at english. I have to pause..... "God, I love you man, and I wish I knew more men like you". A wise man once taught hate the sin love the sinner. My response to someone, off of some perception I might have of what they might or might not have done, robs me of enjoying them and is a trip I should keep to myself. ;) :D

[BandAide]

I live in California and there are alot of mexican people here. I see them, I do buisness with them and some are called friend. I have no idea what their legal status is. Now, I know there must be a problem because of the emotional response on this issue across America. However it has'nt been my experience. I see honest hard working family men, with a humble manner reminiscent of the"waltons" or "Little house on the prairie". And when I see this man standing there with his hat in his hand, wife shushing there well dressed little children, about to make his best attempt at english. I have to pause..... "God, I love you man, and I wish I knew more men like you". A wise man once taught hate the sin love the sinner. My response to someone, off of some perception I might have of what they might or might not have done, robs me of enjoying them and is a trip I should keep to myself. ;) :D

I love this.

[country]

while I agree that not all Mexican immegrants are bad and a lot of them are family people I also see the two that shot and killed a young policeman here in Huntsville Alabama because he tried to intervene in a domestic dispute and I see the one that had no liscense to drive and was drunk and killed a whole family on their way to church one Sunday morning(he ran away from the accident and left his preganet girlfriend pinned in the car --she was a U.S. Citizen) I see the ones that were being led into the police station because they were caught with a load of Crystal Meth here in Huntsville and I remember reading later in the paper that INS turned them loose because there wasn't anywhere to keep them.They took them to the border and set them free,I wonder how long it took to come back with a fresh batch ?I also remember the one that totaled my truck one morning that didn't have a liscense,insurance ,or speak english and I remember what the cop that worked the wreck said when he didn't arrest him"why bother INS will just set him back on the street and besides you've got insurance".

[toman]

Holy run-on sentence, Batman! :cheers:

[PEACE FROG]

I see that the horse is still dead so I NEED TO KICK IT ONE LAST TIME. A week or two ago in my little town a Mexican man that works at the same place as my wife went to the local pub to get his party on. He was lured out to a residence to party where he was found the next morning. He was beaten so badly that his mama has to come from Mexico so they can unplug him from the machines that keep him alive now. Two days later another young Mexican man from my wife's work goes out to party. He is followed into the bathroom and beaten unconscience. He remembers being told his "kind" is'nt welcome round here. I dont know why I'm telling you all this. Maybe I'm just so tired of the retoric and hostile speak towards these people. Since not all of us are as well adjusted and in full command of our mental facalties as you "Jr. Nazis" are. Maybe one should consider in who's ears the words you speak land, is it really nessesary to perpetuate hostility towards other human beings? I think our government already has that covered. Do we need to villianize someone else to get others rallied behind us? Government's got that one covered too. Welcome to the Bush league.

[toman]

Whoa, everybody take a deep breath. I don't think anyone is advocating violence, extremism, or hate here. Dragging Mexicans out of parties and beating them to death is certainly not going to accomplish anything. The simple fact is, there are reasons we have laws, processes and restrictions when it comes to immigration. Looking into the effect of illegal immigration should clarify why those exist. If anyone really wants to allow people from every corner of the world to come live here willy-nilly, turning the country into some giant hobo camp, why not try to change the laws? Isn't that the way America is supposed to work? Are we not in control of our own government? Why are some well-meaning Americans advocating crime? Because illegal immigration is crime! And as far as Bush is concerned, and the right in general, doesn't anyone on the left advocating for illegal immigration realise that these suits and fatcats love illegal immigrants and slave labor? That it keeps their companies moving and their money piles growing while human beings live and work like animals? Damn, leftists must jerk off a lot, because they all seem to be blind! :D

[PEACE FROG]

Damn, leftists must jerk off a lot, because they all seem to be blind! :DYes.....er..... I mean, not me. I agree with you. Now pass me the kleenex.... I'm baitin' :D

[PEACE FROG]

This is a PM from a brother passing through or brand new, my response clarifies my comments^^^I took his name off...respect :D
i think toman's beef was the homeless begging thing, no the mexican thing, just my take on things. i do agree with you though, people hate just to hate and just use any excuse. peaceI was'nt nessesarily speaking to Toman. If you notice there are simular threads on the board all to do with negative speach involving Mexicans. When people point out random acts of undesired behavior by a particular race or people. They are trying to prompt you to say," hey you're right, those dirty bastards!" As if these folks are the only people guilty of bad behavior. Some people however take the retoric too far and simple minded bastards respond in violence. I'm kinda fucked up over this shit happening in my town and needed to vent. I like Toman, he's like my alter ego or spock with a beard. Thanks for dropping me a note, looking forward to reading your posts in the future. ;) :D Ed