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delta9
01-19-2005, 12:14 PM
Personally, I hate the war on drugs. I consider high ranking DEA officials to be war criminals. Let's see what Dean Becker (http://www.drugtruth.net) has to say about it, recently posted on the Marijuana Awareness Project (http://www.mapinc.org):
John Walters, the Drug Czar, tours the Americas, proclaiming cannabis is more dangerous than crack and twice the danger of biker meth. Walters says there are no legitimate medical organizations that support medical cannabis yet there are in fact more than 100, including the American Public Health Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians and the American Nurses Association, ( some 6 million strong. ) The Czar also claims that we are winning the war on drugs, yet most drugs are cheaper, purer and more available to our children than ever before, especially Afghan heroin. Walters' cracking down on cannabis users makes sure the cost of this one drug continues to rise. Cannabis can now cost more per ounce than pure gold. The czar proclaims it a great success that young people are now using less cannabis. He never mentions that our children are inhaling more ( cheap ) solvents, injecting more Oxycontin and doing more binge drinking nor does he reference the fact that the war on cannabis represents approximately 50% of his enormous budget.

But these people aren't the only sources of misinformation (or maybe they are, more later). DARE gives lots of misinformation about many drugs, but they get their information directly from the DEA. What about other supposedly independet organazations?

I give you, freevibe (http://www.freevibe.com/), a collection of misinformation and scare tactics targeted at middle and highschool aged teens:
We're all anxious enough about how we look without having to worry about the stained fingertips and teeth, stinking breath, and bloodshot eyes that come with smoking pot. People who smoke dope can look a little-well, skeazy. They might lose interest in their appearance. They can also get the munchies when they're high-and it's not exactly health food they binge on. They don't call that tire-shaped ring of flab around the middle of a pothead the "stoner's spare" for nothing.
Scare tactic. Aside from the fact that many of the people on this board that smoke look damn fine if you ask me, this is obviously playing on teen insecurity about appearance.

Marijuana use by teens-like the use of many other drugs-can make it harder to keep good relationships with your friends and family. Marijuana users can become loners or hang out with people who may not be a good influence, which means that if you already have good friends and a supportive family, you can grow apart from them or lose their trust.
Make it harder to keep relationships when people start labelling you and other not-so-cool things... And yes, all of us here are just sooooo loners. No, marijuana would never make you want to closer to people, that would almost be a good effect! (sarcasm, of course)

Smoking dope can lead to anxiety, panic attacks, depression, and paranoia-and those problems don't improve over time. And don't you know someone who can't do anything without getting high? That's because they're addicted. Sixty percent of teenagers in drug treatment programs are there because of marijuana.
:rolleyes: Sixty percent of teenagers in drug treatment programs are there because the courts made them go.

The people who profit from the $400 billion global drug business-and yes, marijuana is a big part of this business-are creep factor nine. They're criminals. If you're smoking pot, you could be the end-user of a product that may have been sold to help fund these people.
Oh yes, because hippies growing marijauna are "creep factor nine" and criminals. I've been at many levels of the business, from production, to large scale distrobution, and a lot of the time the marijauna you get is surprisingly local to you ;).

Of course, there's more... But you get the drift. What's worse is there is outright *wrong* science at these places. Take, for example, the class of drugs known as "hallucinogens". If you read freevibes section on hallucinogens, PCP is listed right alongside LSD and magic mushrooms and their "dangers" section doesn't distinguish between them. The problem here is that PCP is a disassociative, like ketamine or nitrous oxide, and is much more dangerous than hallucinogens (as well as affects you differently). But, it may make you hallucinate, you say; scopolamine may make you hallucinate as well, but it's an anticholinergenic deleriant, thus why it isn't classed with hallucinogens.

Prohibition does nothing but create crime and sorrow. Propaganda does nothing but further prohibition. Why are we lying to our children and our people? And are these independent organizations really independent, or are they DEA puppets to further the cycle?

Food for thought. Personally, it all makes me very angry.

purplepeepee
01-19-2005, 04:32 PM
The Czar is a syupid ass hole that wants us to die. Maybe he's a terrorist! :mad:

delta9
01-19-2005, 04:38 PM
Ah but unfortunately *we're* the terroristists or at the very least funding it... *scoff scoff* *breaks to blow a kiss*

nappydread
01-19-2005, 04:39 PM
Scare tactic

...i think Dubya has one of these for each day of the week! What he doesn't realize is that some people just don't scare that easily:p
My personal opinion is that poppies rule the earth. Well i guess the CIA right along with them:)

peace

Pedata
01-19-2005, 07:44 PM
I think they use the war on drugs as a tactic to take our attention away from the real problems- like the fact that complete idiots are in charge.

Stop Funding Criminals. Grow Your Own. :D

Peace,
Pedata

delta9
01-20-2005, 04:07 PM
Well, the verdict is in. I gave someone a breadcrumb:
clone said:
does anyone know how to get this information?
Simple whois reveals freevibe is owned by:
Social & Health Services, Ltd.
11426 Rockville Pike, Suite 100
Rockville, MD 20852
US

Domain Name: FREEVIBE.COM

Administrative Contact
SHS Network Operations Center: shs-ops@shs.net
Social & Health Services, Ltd.
11426 Rockville Pike Suite 100
Rockville, MD 20852
US
Phone 301-770-5800
Fax 301-468-7394
Technical Contact
SHS Network Operations Center: shs-ops@shs.net
Social & Health Services, Ltd.
11426 Rockville Pike Suite 100
Rockville, MD 20852
US
Phone 301-770-5800
Fax 301-468-7394
Billing Contact
SHS Accounts Payable: shs-billing@shs.net
Social & Health Services, Ltd.
11426 Rockville Pike Suite 100
Rockville, MD 20852
US
Phone 301-770-5800
Fax 301-468-7394

Record updated date: 2004-08-11 12:20:24
Record created date: 1998-09-12
Record expires on date: 2005-09-11
There's your first breadcrumb. I don't have time to follow the trail further. Interesting to note, if they don't renew the domain before September 11, 2005, one of us can buy it ;).

Amazing what you can do with a little bit of detective work.

So a simple phone call reveals a few simple answers.

I called and was told by Art at the National Clearing House for Alcohol and Drug Information, the FEDERALLY Funded company that monitors the site, that yes indeed all funding for them and the site come from the Federal Government. There are no private companies or community organizations that contribute, all funds come from the federal government ONLY. No state funds are used for running this site.

I felt I should ask about the validity of their claims while I had them on the phone, and Art stated that all information comes from around the world and many sources, the National Clearing House reviews the claims and statements and decides what goes up, and what does not’t.

Art stated and made very very clear that, yes they are a branch of the government, falling under the Substance Abuse Treatment and Health Services Administration.
So kiddies, this is not only funded by the government, but is the government.

There you have it.
seeing how this is a government site shouldn't the site end with .gov, not .com?
ahh the lies that are spread by our own "leaders".

if there is a chance to buy out the freevibe name, then it will be done, and freevibe will then live up to it's name.

don't forget this is the same federal government that placed anti drug ads disguised as news breaks, and breaking news broadcasts, during peak television time.. How sneaky.

treehugger
01-20-2005, 05:32 PM
All I can say is...wow. You are a much better detective than I could ever hope to be.

I appreciate you providing this information, Delta.

delta9
01-21-2005, 04:25 AM
Oh, I did the easy part, but I guess without the number clone would have had no one to call. Personally, I find this to be very alarming, especially since no where that I can see (certainly not prominently displayed) does freevibe say *anything* about being government funded. You're welcome :)

mamasharones
01-23-2005, 12:26 PM
It seems like now adays they just try to make everyone a terrorist. I couldn't believe that the first time I heard that buying weed funds terrorism. I had a really good chuckle when some how the bush administration coupled abortion with terrorism.

It sucks! What can you do? Any suggestions?

delta9
01-23-2005, 02:18 PM
Write your congressman. There is the hope they like the money they get so they want to be re-elected... :p

bat
01-24-2005, 04:03 AM
I love you man.

delta9
02-06-2005, 01:02 PM
Apparently freevibe isn't merely funded by the government, but by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy *shakes head*