shrooms!

[***peace_and_love***]

hmmm.... touchy subject! since i am a teen experiementing on some stuf- i was wondering the different stories you guys have about shrooms?! im nourvous to do them, and i have friends who has had massivly bad trips on them! tell me your stories!

[delta9]

Bad trips are usually more productive in the end, that is if you ride them out and try to learn from what you were shown...

Like any other entheogen get out of them what you put into them. Your question is very broad and I have many stories of trips, good and bad. Perhaps you can take it down some?

Anyway, check out the shroomery (http://www.shroomery.org), they have lots of information and trip reports about mushrooms.

[mountain_mama]

Ive had a seriously bad trip from ingesting too much Acid when I was a teen and it took awhile to recover and I belive it was because Acid is synthetic. That said if you are going to dabble it is my firm belif that natural is a must. I have had some far out journeys on shrooms but I very rarely take them unless I have something I need to meditate on. I only take them when my mind set is right and I pay close attention to the theme of my trip. It usually reveals alot. I have too powerful of an imagination to take them just to party down though I know many people who do.
The last time I took them was on Phish tour '03. (I can only handle taking them every few years or so. ) I took them alot that tour and had some pretty crazy times...at one point I thought I took too much but I had good people with me anyways not sure what else you want to know but I could babble forever anout it :rolleyes:

[delta9]

You believe wrong. It has nothing to do with LSD being synthetic. Though if you didn't get it on blotter it could have been an RC, depending on when this was (I forgot how old you are, sorry). Bad trips happen on hallucinogens, period.

[nappydread]

! im nourvous to do them, and i have friends who has had massivly bad trips on them!
..this is unfortunate and I hope it isn't in your your mind when you eventually do them. With that being said, you do understand that you are experimenting :) So I would suggest that you wake up that day with a positive attitude and try it with low doses (1-2g) in a place you feel comfortable in with people you feel comfortable with. And most of all have fun...cuz if you take too much in the wrong place and don't have fun then you'll give fun a bad name:D

peace

[BandAide]

Okay, I'm always hesitant to write on posts about drug questions because I don't know anything about drugs. It seems like there are a bunch of experts (Toman, Delta) hanging out in this place and I'm always afraid I'm going to have my head bitten off because I don't even know how to smoke a bowl or use a bong.

In my very limited experiences, my husband (when he was still my boyfriend) once brought home a mushroom chocolate. We split it. It tasted like chocolate with a bitter aftertaste, but not "bad" persay.

We had so much fun!

We talked and talked and talked and talked and laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed.

I remember, we'd been in our room for hours and hours and one of our roomates who had friends over downstairs came in and was like, "what are you guys listening to in here (meaning music)" and we said, (cheesily)
"just the sound of our voices." But that's sort of what it did to me.

I've never felt so happy as I did the night I ate the mushroom chocolate.

I experienced no visual effects from it. But I felt great.

Until I got a belly ache.

And then we went to sleep.

For me, it was what people discribe e being. We were really affectionate and happy. I mean HAPPY.

[toman]

I've never tried mushrooms, mostly because I have a certain phobia of mushrooms in general. I wouldn't mind giving them a go though, so what would you experienced folks say is the best way to ingest them for someone like me who finds the idea of eating most any mushroom offensive?

[delta9]

Oh there's *lots* of ways to ingest. Maybe my mycologist, suimush, will respond in more depth, but really, there's almost as many ways to ingest mushrooms as there are marijuana! Shroomery - Recipes (http://shroomery.org/index/par/7915), a bunch of recipe teks for consumption in different manners, from teas (yes, and it's a lovely blue) to lollipops. But there are so many ways, be creative.

For example, dry or fresh, you can chop those buggers up into small bits and simply down with a liquid you enjoy (but not milk, milk will slow ingestion because it coats your stomach). Some people like to cover them with peanut butter or chocolate...... I mean really, there's just so many methods of ingestion!

BandAide, you shouldn't feel worried to post... As long as you're posting from your heart, and not your ass (*cough* like some crab grass smokers), you've got nothing to fear from me :). I loved reading your trip report :). It sounds like you guys did a low dose, and that is often times a lot better, brings you somewhat into that mushroom mindset without all the crazy messages and visuals constantly distracting you... No one's experiences are invalid (some may be *stupid* - if you talk about driving while on ANY substance with me around and don't have a damn good reason, I will call you stupid; doesn't mean I think you're stupid, just in that instance you were :D).

Mmmm. Mushrooms.
http://www.rumandcoke.net/merlin/sui/shroomery-avatar.jpg
(these are fresh psilocybe cyanofibrilosa found by suimush at the local college)

[LIBRA]

I have never had a "bad experience" with shrooms or cid, I havent done them in years but when I did I liked shrooms the best, oh everything is funny and bright yep good times, now I had friends that would freak out but I always kept it in mind that its a drug not me ya know and its alot of mind over matter, except once I thought I puked my guts out literally and made everyone look to make sure it wasnt, it was chinese noodles but damn it really felt like my guts, thats what liquid always did to me, yaaaack!!
well peace and love just remember you control you and nothing else, and if ya feel nervouse your probably not ready for this kind of experimenting yet!!
go slow too!! allittle goes along way if its good, if you end up trying.

[nappydread]

...Mmmm. Mushrooms...

...hell ya bro :p
those look damn tasty - esp. for a friday!

peace

[moonflower]

Be in a place that you are COMFORTABLE. The past two times that I have tripped on shrooms have been soo weird, crazy weird. Maybe it is just that college dorms aren't the best, either way, due to being "uncomfortable" with my surroundings, I freaked out and ended up sitting on the floor in the bathroom, vomitting and sweating madly. My ears were burning and felt like hot liquid was pouring out...then I finally went to sleep. Being someplace comfortable is the best advice I have. Other than that, my other trips have been a blast!
Peace

[toman]

mmmm... peanut butter. Peanut butter tastes good on an old bike tire... probably even better with 'shrooms on a bagel or something.

[suimush]

Hey my mushrooms!! Thats cool, yeah i found those at a local college. They are Psilocybe Cyanofibrillosa a species that grows wild from the San Francisco Bay Area to Washington. Its a peculier species IMO. Not much research has been done on them. There are many conflicting reports of the potency, both in dried and fresh forms. I still have yet to dose more than a respectable gram of my stash a month ago, but many of my friends have tripped on mushrooms that i have found from the same patch. I love shroom hunting. I mean the way i look at it is that shrooms occur naturally in some areas so if they grow in my area then if i want to trip i go out and find some wild shrooms. Its so much better when you put in the work to find them!!

(sorry i had to add a disclaimer :p )
EDIT: I goota say that if you decide to hunt shrooms KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!!!! www.shroomery.org hunting forum. There are deadly mushrooms that mimck magic mushroom varietys. To a beginer a deadly could look good. Mushroom poisoning is not a joke!!!!!! NEVER eat an unidentified mushroom!!!!!

[treehugger]

I'd be terrified to try shrooms. I guess it's been way too ingrained in my head about not eating mushrooms you aren't 100 % positive what they are. The only mushrooms I trust are the ones you buy in the grocery store! Well, those and morels.

Geez...guess I didn't add much to this thread. :o

[Pedata]

I'd be terrified to try shrooms. I guess it's been way too ingrained in my head about not eating mushrooms you aren't 100 % positive what they are. The only mushrooms I trust are the ones you buy in the grocery store! Well, those and morels.

Geez...guess I didn't add much to this thread. :o

Ditto!!!
I only eat the kind from the store. Most shrooms have an evil twin. The differences can be minute. The meadow shrooms in the store look a whole lot like the Destroying angel, that will kill you with one bite- takes about three days. Turns your liver into molasses. I especially wouldn't try to identify a hallucinagenic shroom.

Too scary :eek:

Peace,
Pedata

[delta9]

Oh it's not all that bad. As long as you are *sure* it's all good... There's differences and you can pretty safely identify a hallucinogenic mushroom by the time you've looked at habitat, stem, cap, spore print, and bruising...

[Pedata]

Oh it's not all that bad. As long as you are *sure* it's all good... There's differences and you can pretty safely identify a hallucinogenic mushroom by the time you've looked at habitat, stem, cap, spore print, and bruising...

No way, no way, no way....lol :D

Peace,
Pedata

[BandAide]

I'm such a risk taker. That's me. Always livin' on the edge.

[Evil Hippie]

My unlces best friend Jack, who I know personally, lives in oregon so in the spring and fall he has access to a lot of halucinagenic mushrooms. Hes been taught by indians how to identify and use hallucinagens like shrooms and peyote. Hes told me about himself astral projecting several times, from drinking a strong tea made from mushrooms. Now he is able to do it naturally without drugs, but he still goes mushrrom hunting every year.

[treehugger]

LOL...I think Pedata's my twin on this one!

(sorry for the threadjack) :o

[Pedata]

(sorry for the threadjack) :o

I like threadjacks :) After all, isn't that the way a real conversation goes?

Ok, everyone continue with your shroomery :D

Peace,
Pedata

[mamasharones]

I've eaten quite a bit of mushrooms and I've only had one bad trip. Not to say that your trips may all be normal but that's just how it happened for me. For me a lot of times when I eat mushrooms and I'm anticipating the on set of them I get really scared but just like delta9 said you just have to ride them out and just keep in your mind that it will eventually pass. In some weird way I think this is the mushroom's way of asking for your respect. I think the more you try to fight mushrooms the worse it gets. You have to just keep an open mind. When I did have the bad trip though it was just this intense feeling of dread. I just couldn't get over it. I've never felt like that on mushrooms. That's probably why it scared me. And maybe I just freaked out and didn't keep my mind open and receptive but I just couldn't do it anymore. I also had just recently tripped before that happened and I don't know (maybe delta9 you can explain this to me) I just feel if you eat mushrooms too close together it's just different the second time around.

But in general if you're going to try mushrooms for the first time, My advice to you is to keep an open mind, try not to think of it as "oh I'm doing a drug and I'm gonna have fun and it's going to be great" I mean always have fun but it's very serious. Try to meditate and learn something. Mushrooms have a way of bringing your mind to a different level and opening your mind to thoughts that maybe never have come to mind before to you in the past. This is a great tool. Use this to help you in any way you see fit.

Good luck to you!
PEACE!

[delta9]

Well, I'm not so into mycology, I'm more into botony and cannabinoids; but I believe the way hallucinogens (LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide), 2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine (DOM) [also STP], N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT), Psilocin, mescaline, and their congeners) work (and they're all the same group because they exhibit cross-tolerance, i.e. if you do mushrooms one night and then do LSD the next, the LSD won't affect you as much) is by interacting with the seratonin receptors in the brain, and that we pretty quickly build up tolerance to them. Luckilly, they are not very toxic - it would take 1200 (and likely many more than that) hits of LSD to (maybe) kill you (it's 12,000micrograms to kill 50% of male rats and 400 micrograms is a pretty heroic dose for most humans - you only need around 80micrograms to trip); similarily, with mushrooms the lethal dose is way higher than what many people could physically eat before they went to a level 6 pass-out trip. Nature's own defense. It's rumored Hofmann or Leary once took a bath in LSD :o. Compare to alcohol which can kill you pretty quickly, being a poison :).

Uh yeah, so tolerance to hallucinogens is built fairly quickly, and also, the comedown is an import part of the experience... if you jump right back in before you figured out all the messages you were supposed to get out of your last trip, you're just going to be lost in the chaos of it all - better to just do a low-dose trip and only get level 1 or 2, and try and figure some shit out; it'll come to you :). But best of all, just have a good time, because no matter what, you'll be back and you'll be ok. You might be changed forever, but that's only if you're lucky :). There is no good or bad trip; the journey is what is really important, as long as you learn something whenever possible, it's all good. I think I might already have too many smilies... *grumble*. I guess I'll leave it at that, then. Most important of all, know your mind, know your body, know your spirit, know your source, and be safe!

[***peace_and_love***]

thanx for all of your replys! itt sounds like everyone had a fun time! its good to hear positive stories!

[mamasharones]

My fiancee tells me that. He eats a lot at a time and he says every trip of his gets scarey at a point but he knows something good will come out of it. It's a very spiritual thing for him. Although I understand the spiritual aspects to it, I'm just not a very spiritual person. I think that's my problem with mushrooms. I think I can get a lot more out of my trip by eating less mushrooms. I'll eat about 4 or 5 smaller sized mushrooms and that's quite enough for me. It's not about the visuals at all. I think I enjoy it more without visuals although sometimes visuals will creep in but to a lesser degree. Hey delta, you hang out on shroomery a lot, do you know herbanshaman?

[reefjoseph]

To much isnt the question. How much for your personal journey is the question. My to much was a weighed half o. it was intense and I rode it out i was alone, (the best way to trip) at the time ,and for a while after I felt like mushrooms were the beginning and end of man. Penis to a mushroom cloud get it. Drink tea it's the best. For a nice time try breaking down 3.5g into three piles. Boil the water drop in a tea bag and the magic and your good to go. This way you create a warm center in your body from which your entire trip will start. Bad trips dont exist the problem is in the way your mind sees what you are doing.Being open minded and a realizing that by expirimenting in this fashion you are getting back to being almost a neanderthal is key. Maybe when we trip we become the missing link? No matter what you do if your mind isn't strong dont trip, you might not be able to handle all the self reflecting you will do.

[theREALsun]

To much isnt the question. How much for your personal journey is the question. My to much was a weighed half o. it was intense and I rode it out i was alone, (the best way to trip) at the time ,and for a while after I felt like mushrooms were the beginning and end of man. Penis to a mushroom cloud get it. Drink tea it's the best. For a nice time try breaking down 3.5g into three piles. Boil the water drop in a tea bag and the magic and your good to go. This way you create a warm center in your body from which your entire trip will start. Bad trips dont exist the problem is in the way your mind sees what you are doing.Being open minded and a realizing that by expirimenting in this fashion you are getting back to being almost a neanderthal is key. Maybe when we trip we become the missing link? No matter what you do if your mind isn't strong dont trip, you might not be able to handle all the self reflecting you will do.

can't tell ya how many times i have said the same thing
i would understand life so much more if i could live on shrooms
i have often wondered if they are the missing link myself?
the key to understand the circular nature of life and its contents....
a few years ago i met a man who taught me a lot
i know i didn't meet him by accident
one day we were talking (we hadn't talked about mushrooms before-although earlier in the week my roommate at the time and i made tea and tripped our faces off--- a very spiritual journey together)
but we were talking about life and love and surrounding spirits,
and he randomly said (i will never forget it)
"its like when you are walking through a dream and you see the mushrooms at your feet, and the mere idea of them, helps you understand this circle, how everything connects"
not that it makes any sense out loud or where as i could explain
i just know that it does....
im crazy :D

[SoulMate]

What kind of site is this that gives tips on drug use? Seems ridiculous! And how can a person justify "meditating" on a subject while under the influence of a hallucinagen? Are you guys for real?

Soul

[nappydread]

What kind of site is this that gives tips on drug use? Seems ridiculous!
...its more for informational purposes...for people interested in learning and broadening their horizons...."seems rediculous" is merely your opinion...

..And how can a person justify "meditating" on a subject while under the influence of a hallucinagen?...
..maybe you should try it, and "justify it" to yourself!

Are you guys for real?...yep..i believe most of us are :eek:

peace

[delta9]

What kind of site is this that gives tips on drug use? Seems ridiculous!
We're doing several things here; first, we are countering DARE and DEA misinformation. Second, we are helping these people be responsible drug users. Third, we are helping them be safe by cautioning them of dangers and such. So to answer your question, this is a site that is caring and helpful to its members and concerned for their safety and well being.

And how can a person justify "meditating" on a subject while under the influence of a hallucinagen?
Why does it need to be justified? How can you justify "meditating" on any subject, period? Do you know what the word "justify" means? :rolleyes: Have you ever "meditated" under the influence of a hallucinogen? Alright then.

delta9

[Pedata]

What kind of site is this that gives tips on drug use? Seems ridiculous! And how can a person justify "meditating" on a subject while under the influence of a hallucinagen? Are you guys for real?

Soul

You know what? You're right. Advice on mushrooms from anyone who is not at least a botanist is dangerous. Advice on drugs from anyone who has not had long term medical training is also dangerous.

Delta, take care that you don't lead someone down the wrong path.

I wonder if this site is just a place for the police to watch?

I'm out of here.

[SoulMate]

Have you ever "meditated" under the influence of a hallucinogen? Alright then.

delta9

Yes, I have. And I learned that hallucinogens are mind 'altering' and not mind 'enhancing' drugs. A human beings brain has the ability to take a person to amazing planes without the use of foreign substances. Wouldn't you agree? Drugs just interfere with our own natural abilities.

[theREALsun]

sigh :rolleyes:

[delta9]

I am a botanist... of sorts. Mushroom specialists are called "mycologists"; fungus has little crossover with plant life.

I have done *plenty* of research into "drugs". Hours upon hours upon hours. What I try to do is get people to research for themselves, so they can come to their own conclusions.

But... I really must ask, because now you're going all DARE on me; how is the advice I give, which tempers safety and responsible use, going to be dangerous to someone? Psilocybe mushrooms cannot harm you unless you have preexisting underlying mental disorders. That is, if you have schizophrenia, mania, or some other mental disorder, you should not be taking ANY mind altering substance without the supervision of your doctors - this includes cannabis, and in my opinion, alcohol.

The amount of mushrooms you would have to eat in order to physically overdose, like cannabis, is several thousands of times more than the normal dose - in effect, it almost cannot be done physically. Compare to alcohol, which has a physical overdose that is less than 10 times the normal dose and can lead to death that quickly.

With cannabis, mushrooms, and LSD, the only thing to fear is fear itself. As long as you are responsible, which means not using at a time that would affect your life (such as at school or work), not operating heavy machinery while under the influence (this includes driving), in a safe place, in sound mind (NOT when you are depressed), and preferably with an experienced sitter (whether they are sober or not, they should be very familiar with the substance at hand) then the only thing to fear is fear itself. Set and setting.

With mushrooms, you have to be careful picking random mushrooms. You need to be 100% sure about your ID of the mushrooms you picked, which includes characteristics of the stem, the cap, the way it bruises, the gills, the spore print, the habitat it was found in, and so on. This is because many hallucinogenic mushrooms have poisonous look-alikes. If you cannot or are unwilling to properly ID your finds, you should not be picking mushrooms; instead, you should grow your own. Growing your own mushrooms is very cheap and very easy and is the only sure-fire way to know you're getting what you should be getting. Growing your own mushrooms is also very illegal. Thus, you must find a balance within yourself and decide what to do; picking mushrooms (if you aren't careful and do your research, you might get a poisonous kind - to me, this is your own dumb fault for not doing research which I have stressed again and again and again), growing them (you could get found out and go to jail), or just simply not doing them.

It all comes down to choice. Do your research. Know your mind. Know your body. Know your source. Be smart. Be safe. But most importantly, have fun.

[BandAide]

I grapple with this myself.

I'm not a drug advocate (as you guys might get from my posts) and I don't have any depth of drug related experiences to speak of.

But I think that there's some pretty intelligent, down to earth advice that's being given out there, and so I condone it.

For instance, the "salvia thread" was started by an eager beaver ready to try this new thing and looking for advice. I thought that the advice given was responsible and helpful to the thread starter.

Maybe it even kept him from killing himself, who knows.

There's very little "yeah, man, this is soooooooooooooo awesome... you gotta smoke this shit," stupidity going on in these parts. People are pretty aware of what they're doing and of the risks they're taking and are helping other people become equally informed.

That's good, isn't it?

As for the meditation bit, I can't comment... I just don't know.

[delta9]

Yes, I have. And I learned that hallucinogens are mind 'altering' and not mind 'enhancing' drugs. A human beings brain has the ability to take a person to amazing planes without the use of foreign substances. Wouldn't you agree? Drugs just interfere with our own natural abilities.
No drug affects everyone the same way. You are beginning to engage in Meme Cultivation; that is, you are putting your experiences on others. To you, it may have inhibited your natural abilities; but to many many more, it enhances them. In the sense you are talking about, drugs are merely the key that unlocks the doors to perception for many people. For people that believe the way that I believe, the point of it is to use the drugs to learn from them so that eventually you can attain a state where they are no longer necessary to achieve the mind state you are looking for. Sort of training the mind. So I will agree that a human being's brain has the ability to take a person to amazing planes without the use of foreign substances, but I will put forth that many people would never see or attain these planes WITHOUT the use of foreign substances. They're just keys to a door, my friend.

Please, if you wish to further discuss this, start a new topic, as this topic is about mushrooms.

[SoulMate]

Well thanks to all for not attacking me. Your replies were very well written and I respect you more for them. However, I will bow out of this now and lurk around for a while. We are all free to live our lives the way we choose.

Soul

[delta9]

You're very welcome. I like a good debate, keeps me on my toes and makes me question my beliefs ;). I'm happy you didn't turn into a pointless troll :) Have a good one.

[drugdoer]

Hi guys. I just discovered this message board, and really love what some of you have to say. I have to completely disagree with SoulMate though as I would with any ideologue. Drugs are just things that alter your body chemistry. How could you possibly lump them all into one category and make generalizations about them? One of the best things about them is that they give you the chance to experience many, many different perspectives that would normally be out of reach. And experiencing something yourself is much more powerful than learning about it second-hand. You can increase your scope of understanding in a very dramatic way. This can be postive or negative though as life itself can be truly nightmarish.