Cloned Meat

[Unkle_John]

I'm really surprised no one has talked about this:

This week the FDA announced cloned meat is safe for you and your family to eat.
"Why would you clone something? Then why would you eat it. It just doesn't sound good, it just sounds disgusting."-said Shopper Jean Hostrander

That's what a grocery store shopper had to say after hearing the FDA's announcement about cloned meat.

The FDA says meat and milk from cloned farm animals are just as safe as the meat and milk we're used to eating.
But people at Farm Sanctuary in Schuyler County say the cloning of pigs, cows, and goats should be prohibited.

He does not agree with FDA saying this type of meat is safe.


"We don't agree the slaughtering and cloning of Farm animals for human food is appropriate or safe or humane. We think it should be prohibited."-said Farm Sanctuary President Gene Baur

However, experts say you probably won't be eating cloned meat for several years.

Many companies are reluctant and cloning is expensive.

The meat you eat and milk you drink would probably come from the offspring of the cloned animals, not the animals themselves.
You might not even know the difference between the cloned meats and regular meats at the grocery store. The FDA says there will be no "special label". Some say there should be.
"I guess this could be cloned and we wouldn't know it I think we should be given a choice. I think I would need to think more about whether I'd eat cloned meat or not."-said shopper Kirsten Fenn
"I mean, it's copied, if that makes sense. If I knew that's what it was I probably wouldn't eat it."-said Shopper Kathleen McKinney

"I'd eat it, I'd eat some clone meat, whatever, I eat Mcdonald's. So I might as well eat some clone meat."-said Shopper Sam Somostrada

Whether you will eat the clone meat or not, the FDA says the ingredients will be exactly the same.


Food regulators in Europe and several other nations have already said ok to the sale of food from cloned animals.

OK so here's the deal. It's cheaper to "grow" meat and such the natural way. The way it's currently being done. Why in the world would you want to spend the money on research and testing and then implementation of cloning? Not to mention how disgusting it sounds when a clone burger is placed in front of you. Didn't we learn from Hollywood that if you keep cloning from a certain batch of DNA for so many generations causes problems. Problems that can be passed on to us. Not to mention, they would have the have a batch of DNA that didn't have some weird disease that would be passed on to us. I tell you what, I'm going to eat what I grow and if cloned meat comes the norm, I'm eating veggies only or getting my own livestock to raise.

I do however see a very HUGE potential for ranchers who are raising the "old fashioned way" to jump on the "Naturally raised" market.

I think the last comment above in the interview sums up America:

"I'd eat it, I'd eat some clone meat, whatever, I eat Mcdonald's. So I might as well eat some clone meat."-said Shopper Sam Somostrada

[LIBRA]

so sad, I bet most small town american farmer will say bullshit, they wont be raising cloned beef. I dont understand how the FDA can think this way. Why spend money to make money when we can all live just fine the good ol fashioned natural way.

I see bad things happening in our life time, like a huge recession and we are going to have to live off the land. I am so glad I already know how to to that.

[crazylegs]

To me it's just another one of the half-assed bass-ackwards ways of doing things consistent with "modern" civilization: like create a bunch of diseases from junk food and then spend ka-zillions trying to figure out how to treat them, or making it so you have to have a car to get around and filling up our lives with energy-intensive appliances and industries and then trying to figure out some big clean source of the massive amounts of juice we've become addicted to, or wanting kids and then having to have other people raise and educate them because we're to busy and/or greedy, etc etc etc. The society is nuts at the core so every big solution is just going to end up being another problem. The hippies of the 60s who didn't OD came up with a different way of looking at things: small scale, local, low tech, community-based, self-sufficcient, sustainable were some of the adjectives we used. What happened to that little window of sanity is a whole other discussion. Not getting swallowed up by the culture at large can be pretty tricky.

Cloning animals seems pretty disgusting to me. Some sort of Victorian remnant of sexual aversion maybe, sunk deep in people's subconcious or a result of alien programing. Or maybe it's all gravy and I just smoked too much mother nature once upon a time.

[CowboyHippy]

i wasnt aware of any sort of problem where we needed to clone meat. just get the cows and pigs the breed like rabbits. you can't clone them as adults, you still need to feed and care for them the way you would any livestock (se me post in random thoughts for the latest livestock dilemma), i think an animal embryo growing inside a momma cow would be cheaper than a lab. if there becomes some sort of thing where the animals stop breeding
both naturally and artificially then there might be a need for somethign alternative, although the want still might not be there.

however i giggled like a school girl when i read this line:
"...Didn't we learn from Hollywood...."

[PEACE FROG]

First: If you're cloning beef I'll have a double cheese burger!
Having said that.
Cowboy, I think they clone bulls, superior gene bulls for the super sperm. Like the Nazis tried to do with humans. And I agree with crazylegs;" we are nuts to the core". I think it is capitalism, we should look at one another as brothers and sisters and take care of each other, not as demograghs and customer bases. I think capitalism has made people into greedy self absorbed shitheads," the haves" and the "aspire to haves". None of it we need. Really. I think we would do best with sustainable nieghborhood communities. I know Unkle John hears me on this one. Ma and Pa stores, farmers markets, everything handmade and homegrown all within walking distance so you dont need to drive. Another crazylegs senario; build shit miles apart in a urban sprawl fashsion then try to figure out how we can afford to get there to shop. Sorry for the hi-jack. This beef thing I see a pandora's box, just like genetic engineered plants. Dr. freekin' Moreau

[butterflyDancer]

To me it's just another one of the half-assed bass-ackwards ways of doing things consistent with "modern" civilization: like create a bunch of diseases from junk food and then spend ka-zillions trying to figure out how to treat them, or making it so you have to have a car to get around and filling up our lives with energy-intensive appliances and industries and then trying to figure out some big clean source of the massive amounts of juice we've become addicted to, or wanting kids and then having to have other people raise and educate them because we're to busy and/or greedy, etc etc etc. The society is nuts at the core so every big solution is just going to end up being another problem. The hippies of the 60s who didn't OD came up with a different way of looking at things: small scale, local, low tech, community-based, self-sufficcient, sustainable were some of the adjectives we used. What happened to that little window of sanity is a whole other discussion. Not getting swallowed up by the culture at large can be pretty tricky.


:group_hug

you're absolutely right about not getting swallowed up by the culture. i know i haven't been alive all that long, and i don't know how discrediting my age is, but i feel like i'm constantly fighting the influences around me in order to stay true to myself. and it's hard not to lash out; the problem with words as a weapon is that very few listen.

as for the cloned meat, all i can say is that times like this, i'm glad (more than usual) to be vegan.

[crazylegs]

:group_hug

you're absolutely right about not getting swallowed up by the culture. i know i haven't been alive all that long, and i don't know how discrediting my age is, but i feel like i'm constantly fighting the influences around me in order to stay true to myself. and it's hard not to lash out; the problem with words as a weapon is that very few listen.

as for the cloned meat, all i can say is that times like this, i'm glad (more than usual) to be vegan.No need to apologize for your age. Sounds like you get it which is what matters. Lashing out I mostly have trained myself out of. It always comes back around and learning to control it is learning to control at least a part of my own pain (and that of others).

The culture is constantly working on us in big and little ways. The struggle to keep an independent mind is a lifetime proposition. What has in a way possibly kept me sane(or made me nuttier; I'm not sure which) is having to live in a low populated area because of my physical sensitivity to pollution but the price is isolation and low income and lack of opportunities for my skills. But then I love not being caught up in the maelstrom of work work work drive drive drive consume consume consume. Life seems pointless sometimes but I keep plugging away at what I can do and try to stay true to myself. What's the alternative?

[crazylegs]

First: If you're cloning beef I'll have a double cheese burger!
Having said that.
Cowboy, I think they clone bulls, superior gene bulls for the super sperm. Like the Nazis tried to do with humans. And I agree with crazylegs;" we are nuts to the core". I think it is capitalism, we should look at one another as brothers and sisters and take care of each other, not as demograghs and customer bases. I think capitalism has made people into greedy self absorbed shitheads," the haves" and the "aspire to haves". None of it we need. Really. I think we would do best with sustainable nieghborhood communities. I know Unkle John hears me on this one. Ma and Pa stores, farmers markets, everything handmade and homegrown all within walking distance so you dont need to drive. Another crazylegs senario; build shit miles apart in a urban sprawl fashsion then try to figure out how we can afford to get there to shop. Sorry for the hi-jack. This beef thing I see a pandora's box, just like genetic engineered plants. Dr. freekin' MoreauI'm not against capitalisim as much as its being so tied to the politics. Corruption in other words. What is it now, like half a billion bucks to become president??? What does that tell ya? Hey man, you'll be proud of me - I voted for Dennis the Menace! Elves rule!

[CowboyHippy]

I'm not against capitalisim as much as its being so tied to the politics. Corruption in other words. What is it now, like half a billion bucks to become president??? What does that tell ya? Hey man, you'll be proud of me - I voted for Dennis the Menace! Elves rule!


the two candidates that will eventually become frontrunners will spend over 125 million of everyone elses donations and contributions on their compaign for a job that pays 400k. thats not mentioning all those who lost. or who dropped a significant ammout and never had a chance.

they could have all used that money to make and or grow food and thusly eliminate the need for cloning meat.

[forrest]

TORONTO (Reuters) - The U.S. food regulator this week sanctioned cloned foods, and while the movement of meat and milk derived from cloned animals and their offspring into supermarkets is expected to be slow, the reaction to the news has been swift.

After years of evaluation, the Food and Drug Administration said it had determined that meat and milk from cow, goat and pig clones and their offspring are safe for human consumption. The FDA began its analysis of the safety issues in 2001, when it asked researchers and food producers to keep cloned animals and their descendants out of the food supply. Despite the latest FDA decision, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has asked cloning companies to indefinitely continue their voluntary moratorium on transitioning these animals from research to food to allow time for consumer acceptance.
http://features.us.reuters.com/wellbeing/news/296955AA-C53D-11DC-AA40-57027491.html

We want to know what you think -- do you agree with the FDA? Should meat and milk from clones and their offspring be labeled as such? Email at HealthMatters@reuters.com with your comments.

Landmark Document in American History

Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906

United States Statutes at Large (59th Cong., Sess. I, Chp. 3915, p. 768-772)

AN ACT

For preventing the manufacture, sale, or transportation of adulterated or misbranded or poisonous or deleterious foods, drugs, medicines, and liquors, and for regulating traffic therein, and for other purposes.
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst203/documents/pure.html

[Gaston]

Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906

United States Statutes at Large (59th Cong., Sess. I, Chp. 3915, p. 768-772)

AN ACT

For preventing the manufacture, sale, or transportation of adulterated or misbranded or poisonous or deleterious foods, drugs, medicines, and liquors, and for regulating traffic therein, and for other purposes.[/B]
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst203/documents/pure.html

I'm not generally in favor of amending the constitution, at least unless there is a serious pressing need ... and there is such a need now. I propose the following amendment:

Congress shall propose no bill, nor shall they enact any law, that includes "and for other purposes" either in verbage or in intention.
:D

Maybe that will help keep Congress from cloning "pork". ;)

[Unkle_John]

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