Drugs are bad mmkay.

[Evil Hippie]

I found a couple people at my school who could find me hallucinagens, I plan on doing them this summer but I want to start reading up on them. I know ive done salvia but that lasted 5-10 minutes, while these could last like 8 hours. I dont know which would be the best to start with like strength wise. I know that acid is a LOT stronger but it also is a LOT cheaper :rolleyes: ... Mescaline would be my prefered drug but im not sure if I could even get it. Shrooms are a little more money but they might be better to start with. And I have no idea how much peyote is or if I could get it. Can anyone describe the strength of some of these and the prices as well? Which would be my best choice?
Thanks in advance for the help... :)

[delta9]

Peyote IS mescaline - looks like you need more research ;)

LSD isn't more powerful than mushrooms (well, technically it is because the dose of LSD is in micrograms, but I'm talking about power of the experience here), it's a different experience. Mushrooms are generally described as more earthy and confusing while LSD is generally described as more electric and overwhelming. Both can bring forth spiritual experiences, they just do so in their different ways.

Mushrooms usually last from 4-6 hours. LSD usually lasts from 8-12 hours.

I am only concerned because you are all alone... Personally, I like making connections with people and such while I am exploring the universe, and it is *always* a good idea to have someone with you just in case. Like I've been saying since you got the salvia, you need to find a sitter or at least a tripmate, bro. Perhaps look for people at your school that are good down to earth people and try to get in with them. Let them know you've experienced with Lady Salvia and you want to go on but you are unsure and don't want to be alone, just in case.

Believe me, bad trips are a lot worse by yourself, and just having someone near can often dispell your fears and lower your chances of having a bad trip :)

If I were already rich I'd fly my ass out to you and be your sitter, I mean it that much about having someone with you.

[Evil Hippie]

I know mescaline is the active chemical in peyote but I just thought if I found the exracted chemical it might be cheaper and I wouldnt need as much. I also thought maybe it wouldnt cause the nausia that many people experience on peyote.

Ive been talking to a couple people who are more experienced with hallucinagens at school. I told them that I was planning on doing mushrooms this summer and wanted someone to do them with. They know where to get them and want to do them with me. I really want to do them while campinng. There are hills by my town and great campgrounds off the road a bit, so no cars passing by might get suspicious.
If I cant find anyone else to do them with ill probably do it with them. My cousin realy wants to try mushrooms too, I would really like to do them with her because we are both so alike. We're both sort of "new age hippies". I also know a couple guys who are a lot older and way more experienced that said they would definitly trip with me.

My point is that im sure I can find someone to do them with my first time.
:) I really apreciate you looking out for my safety ;)

I really want to do it completely alone in complete darkness, when im a bit more comfortable with tripping. :)

[granolamomma]

I just want to second what delta said about not tripping alone. When I was a teen, I did alot of experimentation too, and my first experience with LSD was horrible. I was at a party and I was convinced this guy was stalking me or something, I curled up in a ball and cryed the entire night. It was the absolute worst experience of my life, I don't know what I would have done if there wasn't anyone there to help me out. That same night, I decided to drive home and almost hit a tree. I only tripped one time after that. Also, if you are going to do LSD, just take one hit unless you know for sure how you will react. Don't try to be a big man and take several hits, that is just stupid IMNSHO. Its just not worth it to take the risk.

[Evil Hippie]

Ive decided shrooms would be best. Even if they are a little more money. I dont want to trip for too long. That way if I did have a bad experience it wouldn't last 8 to 12 hours. Im sticking with mother nature on this.

[Evil Hippie]

I really dont think Ill have a bad trip though, I am pretty good at staying calm. I havent even had a nightmare in several years. Not that a dream is anything as intense as a drug trip.

[Evil Hippie]

Ok Just curious, what do you think would happen if one took a very small dose of acid? I mean Like half of a hit, would it produce effects? What about even smaller than that, like a fourth of a hit? Im just curious as to what a very small amount of acid would do.

[nappydread]

hey...
i know quite a few people that take 1/2's for a small high or testing purposes. Just to get them into the "party" kinda state ...i guess...:)

peace

[delta9]

Unfortunately, that means absolutely nothing. It depends on how many micrograms of LSD are actually IN the hit, but let's assume it was good blotter and you had 90ug in your quarter-inch square hit.

Cut it in half, you now have two 1/4" by 1/8" pieces of paper, each with 45ug of LSD on them.

Cut each of those in half, you have four 1/8" by 1/8" pieces of paper, each with 22ug of LSD on them.

A threshold dose (just barely feeling it) is 20ug of LSD. A "light" dose is between 25ug and 60ug for most people. You start getting "the full effects" from 70ug to 150ug, and more than that it just gets crazier and crazier, up to and including 250,000,000ug.

So. If they tell you need two hits to get faced, then it is, likely, somewhere between 40ug and 80ug per hit. Simple math works out how much a half of a hit is going to give you, and the above will tell you what that will do to you...

If you're going to do LSD, you might as well do it right. Set aside the time and the place where it will be alright to trip for 8 to 12 hours and drop away my friend, she can't hurt you!

The problem with taking half hits and such is that without knowing how many micrograms are in each hit (and you can't know that without a GC/MS or knowing the person that laid it to blotter) you could easily be taking less than 40ug which would totally make the other half nearly useless and you won't feel much of anything. To me, it is better to take even 100ug MORE LSD than I thought I might (it'll be a wild ride) than to take not enough to get ANYTHING.

What print is it? :)

[nappydread]

....heheh...oops...
Unfortunately, that means absolutely nothing... let's assume it was good blotter and you had 90ug in your quarter-inch square hit.
...ya i was assuming it was good...hehehehe:)
If you're going to do LSD, you might as well do it right. Set aside the time and the place where it will be alright to trip for 8 to 12 hours and drop away my friend, she can't hurt you!... i completely agree!
...i have a story to post...
peace

[nappydread]

im not one to overanalyze history or anything...but its coming up to a 12yr aniversary of a dear hippie friend that died prematurely, at 18. A death that i could have prevented. Im not sure why im speaking of it...if for no other reason than it goes against the name of this thread. I think everyone has a different opinion, not only about what "drugs" are but if "drugs" are good or bad. Furthermore, there are lots of "drugs" out there...leading to a lot of opinions...so take this story with a grain of salt...

It was a house party at my good friend's place with about 30 people. No hard drugs. Drinking, hash smoking, gambling and some lsd that i provided...mainly from a personal stash as i was dealing back then. Red roses on tan paper. How fitting for a valentines eve bash! As the night grew darker, my stash dwindled down to a few hits that i was saving for myself and my girl after we drove home later that night. Then my dear friend who arrives a bit late...approaches me and wants to get turned on. I can't do it! I don't do it! "No, i have to save these...i'm sorry". Save! There is something about the word that gives me bad vibes now! I ended up leaving with my g/f at 11:30pm, but from what i know the party shrank to four of my close friends by 3am. Three of them on lsd, my dear friend not. By this time, we were safely at home and in bed...the g/f and I didn't end up taking the doses that I had greedily saved. Then, I was startled awake by a phone call at 6:30am saying that a fire had ripper through the party house, starting in the basement. Two of my friends that were upstairs made it out by busting through a window. One of my friends who was in the basement made it upstairs and out, but was charred and was suffering smoke inhalation in hosptial. My dear friend did not make it out. There she would lay.....in the basement where she passed out from hash and alcohol. And these..."No, i have to save these...i'm sorry" were my last words to her on this valentines.


peace

[Evil Hippie]

and more than that it just gets crazier and crazier, up to and including 250,000,000ug.

Holy shit!!! :eek:

I still plan on doing shrooms the first time, that was just for future reference.

:DThanks once again ;)

The shrooms I will be getting are home grown, so thats good, I wouldnt want to do shrooms that were picked from the wild, unless I really trusted that person who picked them knew what they were doing.

Ive been reading about growing them and think that I would be able to pull it off without my family knowing. They dont take up that much space, they grow in the dark, and I could easily hide and care for them. I would just have to get a hold of some spores.

[BandAide]

Oh Nappie,

Deep breath in...

God...

I really wish I knew what I could say about that thread.

Unfortunately, my sister died two years ago on Jan. 26th and I'm still battling my guilty conscience for not acknowledging her needs. My last interaction with her was selfish and through email.

I don't really need to get into it here...

but I suspect that kind of guilt (even in unwarranted) lives forever.

[delta9]

Damnit! Where the hell did those prints come from? I have searched all over the place and I can't find a picture of the print or any mention of it :(

The closest I found was this (shown below) (http://www.rumandcoke.net/merlin/roses.jpg) print with some nice roses. Sounds like it was beautiful, though!

But that is definately a bummer. One wonders what would have happen had she dosed? She certainly would not have been passing out from hash and alcohol!

The shrooms I will be getting are home grown, so thats good
Yes it is! Find out what strain if you're curious, though with mushrooms it doesn't make much of a difference :).

Ive been reading about growing them and think that I would be able to pull it off without my family knowing.
Yes, they are easy to grow. A lot easier to grow and hide than marijauna; however, you should never grow anything in your parent's house without their knowledge and approval. Growing psilocybe mushrooms is producing a schedule one (methamphetamine is schedule two :( ) drug with intent to distribute if you are caught - and furthermore, if you are caught, the home owners, in this case, your parents, can and will go down for felonies as well.

Best to wait until you are out on your own - at least then you aren't risking your karma with their fate.

Blotter (with roses):
http://www.rumandcoke.net/merlin/roses.jpg

[Pedata]

Aww...Nappy. That is so sad. I think no matter what your last words are to someone you will wonder and wonder.

I agree with Bandaide- whether warranted or not, you will feel guilt. It's too easy to look back, with hindsight, and wish you'd acted differently. You didn't know there was going to be a fire. You didn't know she was going to pass out from hash and alcohol. How could you? I think guilt like that comes from the feeling of having had no control over it. It's a helpless feeling. But we all do it. Being on Valentine's Day must make it so much worse. Death does not recognize special days, tho. It's not your fault.

Don't be hard on yourself :)

Peace,
Cassandra

[Evil Hippie]

You're right, doing something so risky without my parents consent would not be good. Not if it could put them in jail for something they didnt even know was happening.


BUT lets say I talk them into letting me try to grow mushrooms in my room. They take about two weeks to mature correct? What are the chances that I will be busted for something that takes place in two weeks? If I could talk them into letting me get ONE harvest out of them it would be worth it. But I still have the problem of getting spores. Ive found sites that sell grow kits, but I dont think they can ship to the US.

But im just dreaming here... I really doubt they would let me grow mushrooms. I guess Im stuck with getting a JOB and BUYING MY OWN...

Mc Donalds here I come! :D

[delta9]

That's the spirit :)

Yes, somehow I doubt highly your parents are quite willing to accept that ;). As to time length, I could be very wrong so I'll wait for a mycologist to post, but I believe that after innoculation it can take a month or two all told... I'll check tomorow, I am very tired now and going to good places in my dreams :)

[nappydread]

...thanks guys!:)...i never really blamed myself...but yes I believe in hindsite i could have acted differently...and possibly changed events for the better.

...thats a nice print delta! it looks tasty...but not quite the same...tan background:)

for mushroom growing i highly recommend this book:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books/mushroom_cultivator.shtml
...its led to many successful harvests...:)

peace

[Evil Hippie]

Nappy you're making me jealous! :p
Send some my way... :D

[forrest]

I found a couple people at my school who could find me hallucinagens, I plan on doing them this summer but I want to start reading up on them. I know ive done salvia but that lasted 5-10 minutes, while these could last like 8 hours. I dont know which would be the best to start with like strength wise. I know that acid is a LOT stronger but it also is a LOT cheaper :rolleyes: ... Mescaline would be my prefered drug but im not sure if I could even get it. Shrooms are a little more money but they might be better to start with. And I have no idea how much peyote is or if I could get it. Can anyone describe the strength of some of these and the prices as well? Which would be my best choice?
Thanks in advance for the help... :)

If its real good try 3 days! :mixed8:

[NCW_Woodnymph]

Dude, what's with the dredging? Most these people aren't even around any more. :confused:

:hippie:

[Buffalo Head '75]

if you get the right drugs, the urge to dredge will be relieved and replaced by the blue bird of happyness.