Am I sexist?

[NCW_Woodnymph]

I know none of you care much for Palin (possibly the understatement of the year :D) but I personally agree with a lot of what she proposes to stand for. The one thing that I have a really hard time with is that she says she is for "family values" and she runs on her "hockey mom" status but she I willing to take a job that, by it's very nature, will make her unable to be a hockey mom or really any kind of a mom at all. I was told last weekend that this hang-up makes me sexist.

To tell the truth, I don't have to much of a problem with being labeled as sexist and I admit that I would feel differently about a man taking a job that takes him away from young children so maybe I am. Really though I think it is that I find her statements hypocritical and that is not what I look for in a leader.

:hippie:

[LIBRA]

Thats something she praises her self on and now she has an infant who is autistic, and will probably be raised by a nanny. Yaaaa go mom of the year.

BUT Obama is a father and it doesnt seem as bad to me that he is willing to take the job. So am I sexist too? Jeesh Ive never asked that question, I dont feel like one. But that sure does sound it. :bawl:

Im sure they can be good parents and still help run our country, but she just puts such an emphasis on her being a mom that it makes ya think, what kind of mom would do that?

Good question Candice, you got me thinking now :confused:

[Hippie Staff]

She should drop the whole " I am a Hockey Mom" bit. As a VP, she would be EXTREMELY removed from her motherly duties. There are simply not enough hours in a day. She would be traveling extensively, in meetings, events, etc. So, it's not fair for her to play both sides.

[Savon]

none of you are sexist. Im a guy and i think the same way about her. If that makes me a sexist then so be it. i wont apalogize for having an opinion yea know what i mean?

[Graehstone]

I think you spelled Sexy wrong in the thread title ... ;):p:hippie:

[LIBRA]

Oh behave..... in my best austin powers voice :D


Its pretty sad to me that she would chose her career over her children. I could never do that.

[PEACE FROG]

Hockey mom or zebra trainer makes no difference, is she qualified for the office of the Vice President is the question. And how bout President? We have seen what a incompetent boob in the White house can do and she has two. ;) Really though that's the only question. Is she qualified? I have no problem at all being lead by a woman, if she is qualified. BTW she runs on family values? Her teenage daughter is with bastard child. I don't get it?!?!!

[Hippie Staff]

She's not even qualified to be a hockey mom.

They booed her at a hockey game.

http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/10/14/Hockey_mom_hammered_Sarah_Palin_booed_on_ice

A big Nelson, " HA HA"

[Crochety Carpenter]

Sexist? No. Recognizing the truth that the sexes are equall in value but still not the same, that each is designed (whether by evolution or the creator is a whole other discussion) for specific tasks which the other may or may not be able to do. This is not sexist.

[NCW_Woodnymph]

Hockey mom or zebra trainer makes no difference, is she qualified for the office of the Vice President is the question. And how bout President? We have seen what a incompetent boob in the White house can do and she has two. ;) Really though that's the only question. Is she qualified? I have no problem at all being lead by a woman, if she is qualified. BTW she runs on family values? Her teenage daughter is with bastard child. I don't get it?!?!!

Well on the pregnant daughter issue... I had great parents, who instilled great values but, I'm sure we can all attest, teenage hormones are force to be reckoned with.;) I actually think that is one point in her favor, it would have been much easier to cover up an abortion.
:hippie:

[LIBRA]

I totally forgot about her daughter being pregnant. I really dont read anymore articles on her or Mccain anymore, no point. I only get fustrated and its usually the same stuff over and over again anyway. Unless of course its SNL and there mocking them, thats just funny :D

[PEACE FROG]

Well on the pregnant daughter issue... I had great parents, who instilled great values but, I'm sure we can all attest, teenage hormones are force to be reckoned with.;) I actually think that is one point in her favor, it would have been much easier to cover up an abortion.
:hippie:Yes young Nymph, but you gotta agree that making "Family Values" your moniker while you know that your teenage daughter has a "bun in the oven" takes balls. < there's a sexist statement:D

[Crochety Carpenter]

An individualls belief does not, of necessity, translate to ones children. That does not make one a hypocrite.

[PEACE FROG]

An individualls belief does not, of necessity, translate to ones children. That does not make one a hypocrite.Didn't say she was hypocrite, I said it takes balls. and I realize that we are not responsible for what our kids do per se'. But I would not take swimming lessons from a paraplegic nor parenting advice from Sarah Palin. After next month it won't matter anyway, she gets to go back to her state and govern. and be a "HACKY MAMM- YEAW"

[Crochety Carpenter]

After next month it won't matter anyway, she gets to go back to her state and govern. and be a "HACKY MAMM- YEAW"

And that will guarentee that 2012 will, indeed, be the end the end of the world as we know it. The creaping socialism begun covertly by Georgie will be completed by Obama. A new world order is comming, just ask Forrest.

[LIBRA]

Oh lord. Because capitalism is soooo great, right? Execs of AIG just went on yet another 80,000 hunting trip after the 700 BILLION dollar bail out. Ahh captalism at its finest right there.


Best words of wisdom ever.


But I would not take swimming lessons from a paraplegic nor parenting advice from Sarah Palin

[PEACE FROG]

And that will guarentee that 2012 will, indeed, be the end the end of the world as we know it. The creaping socialism begun covertly by Georgie will be completed by Obama. A new world order is comming, just ask Forrest.Sarah Palin is the only thing that stands between our way of life and the end of the world as we know it? I guarantee that if she got into office, I'd be able to see Russia from my house. DONT'CHA NOE. And I live in California!!! And ya, I am currently photo shopping Obama's face on Che Guevera for a tee shirt to sell on Cafe' press. Can I caall ya Jo?

[LIBRA]

"For those of you who are feeling giddy or cocky or think this is all set, I just have two words for you: New Hampshire," Obama said.
"I've been in these positions before when we were favored and the press starts getting carried away and we end up getting spanked," he said.


He said spanked. I love Obama. :love5: Does that make me sexist?


heres the link to the news story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081016/pl_nm/us_usa_politics)

Sorry I wasnt sure where else to add this but when I read it I laughed that he actually said spanked.


Oh and Ed, hook me up with one of those shirts! I'll let you call me Jo :D

[Crochety Carpenter]

Sarah Palin is the only thing that stands between our way of life and the end of the world as we know it?

Obviously, to most, it's not that she is the deliverance but that Obama is the destruction. He is a socialist, anti American, racist radical.

[LIBRA]

Obviously, to most, it's not that she is the deliverance but that Obama is the destruction. He is a socialist, anti American, racist radical.


Here Here Hip Hip Hooray for Obama!!! :bud:

OBAMA 08 :hippie:

I hope some day you can learn to walk around with open eyes.

[PEACE FROG]

Obviously, to most, it's not that she is the deliverance but that Obama is the destruction. He is a socialist, anti American, racist radical.
Respectfully; do people like you hate co-ops and farmers markets? I am curious. Also, can you substantiate any of your accusations? At all?

[Savon]

Why did you come here if you are going to be negative about everything. i have yet to read a post of yours were you are happy or exited about ANYTHING.

[Crochety Carpenter]

Peace Frog,
First, there are no "people like" me. I am as appaled as you are at the people that Forrest is so adept at finding who in ignorance, stupidity, and intollerance manage to make a mockery out of conservative principals.
Appologies that my last post bears a resemblance to them.

As to farmers markets and co-opps, I am all for individualls coming together for a joint purpose and a common benifit. Government enforced and controled efforts are a different matter entirely.

Obama's socialism is evenced by his attraction to government controle of the means of production as indicated by his voting record and his readiness to redistribute wealth as shown by his tax the rich and give it to the poor through government programs touted regularly in his campaign.

Both Obama's racism and anti-Americanism can be seen in any of his former pastor Wright's sermons (he stayed there 20 years!) and his wife's statement that for the first time in her life she is proud to be an American simply because a black man was a viable candidate for president. Would she have felt the same had it been Clarence Thomas?

Savon,
I'm here to learn. When you hang out only with those with whom you agree you bedcome blind to erroneous attitudes and pre-suppositions. If you can avoid inflamatory and combative tones you can learn a great deal from those who dissagree with you, although the temptation to become shrill is hard to fight sometimes. Also, you often are not held accountable to know your facts, as I have been here, thank you all very much. I try to return the favor.

If you had morons like the ones Forrest and Graestone are so good at finding supposedly supporting your point of view wouldn't you be crochety too? Almost enough to make you reconsider!

[Adam Blanchard]

Humm.. I never realized that is was bad to tax the rich and redistribute it to the poor, be it through government programs or not.

[LIBRA]

and his wife's statement that for the first time in her life she is proud to be an American simply because a black man was a viable candidate for president.

Made me proud too.

[Adam Blanchard]

Hell, that is about the only thing us Americans have to be proud of right now, at least we have the potental to get past racial prejeduces that were supposed to have been abolished a few decades ago.

[Crochety Carpenter]

Has it escaped your notice that only liberal blacks are acceptable? Look what they did to Clarence Thomas. Would Condelesa Rice have been more acceptable than Sarah Palin?
The government is not Ribin Hood.
Socialism has never worked any where in the world. Socialism world wide has killed more of its own people than all the wars in all the world for all history combined.
Under socialism you would not be able to say most of the things that are said here.

[Hippie Staff]

Colin Powell = conservative - he did back Bush policies and Bush's war.
Or, is he a liberal now that he backs Obama?



And: Socialism world wide has killed more of its own people than all the wars in all the world for all history combined.

Actually - I think Religious wars did .

Regardling Socialism, I think you are confusing it with Nationalism. THis country will have to resort to a nationalized banking system due to the outright greed of Wallstreet turdwipes pillaging the system unregulated for too long. Let's put blame where it squarely lay.

Also - the 250k tax issue is being overblown. If you are one of the very few that makes over 250k (per person)..only the amount you make over 250k is taxed at 39% versus 35%. Cry me a river. These people can still take all their usual deductions. This is fair and IS aimed at the large companies who can well afford this.


I'm ready to jump into the healthcare issue when you are. I'm not real happy with my self-employed healthcare plan, and it's costing us an arm and a leg. I wonder if Joe the Plumber is happy with his healthcare plan?

[LIBRA]

I can see the light, lord almighty I see the light!!!!! Thank you meg :D


Also, Denise the plumber thinks her current non exsistent health care sucks.

[Crochety Carpenter]

I never called Bush a conservative. He never vetoed a single bill from a liberal and then democrat congress untill they started messing with his war funding.

On the who's the bigest butcher question you are just wrong.

so·cial·ism
–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
"The out right greed" is not what caused our current problem.FANIE MAY and FREDIE MACK, both liberal socialist policies, along with numerous other socialist programs are responsible because the government "encouraged" lending institutions to make bad loans to people who could not maintain them.

"Also - the 250k tax issue is being overblown" Who do you think employs people? Who do you think buys the cars, houses, and electronics the manufacture and sale of which gives most people their employment.
The luxury tax on yaughts destroyed the yaught building industry in America years ago costing thousands of "blue collar" workers their jobs. I Don't know if it has recovered yet.
I used to build houses. If Obama gets his tax I'm probably through because people under 250k usually don't build houses and I don't build the slums Obama want's ys all to rent, with government subsidies of course.

Out of time, I'll gat back to you on health care.

[Shydog]

Has it escaped your notice that only liberal blacks are acceptable? Look what they did to Clarence Thomas. Would Condelesa Rice have been more acceptable than Sarah Palin?
The government is not Ribin Hood.
Socialism has never worked any where in the world. Socialism world wide has killed more of its own people than all the wars in all the world for all history combined.
Under socialism you would not be able to say most of the things that are said here.
I take offense with the way you associate American liberals with socialists. Lets not start with the name calling.

[PEACE FROG]

WOW! I think you're yanking our chains carpenter. Why is it that it is okay to tax the middle class but if you tax the rich it is considered a redistribution of wealth? Are not my taxes a redistribution of my wealth? If we, the middle class are able to keep more of our hard earned buckeroos we will be buying cars, houses and durable goods ourselves. Thus stimulating the economy ourselves.
I could give a hoot about socialism, capitalism or any other "ism" for that matter. What I see is that the system in place is corrupted by greed and not working. What I see is a country sharply divided with hearts so hardened towards one another that we spin our wheels and are unable to accomplish even the simplest of tasks. What I see is while we are lamenting over yaught companies going out of business and our inability to fill up our SUVs at the pumps; people in the world are hungry and suffering and we could care less. What I see is a people who are so vain and so caught up in their own little dramas that the very planet we live upon is telling us we need to change the way that we are doing things but it is easier to hurl insults at each other and more profitable to look the other way.
So I say "render to Caesar what is his" and "if he wants your cloak give him your tunic as well". This is all temporal and we are a bunch of fleas arguing who owns the dog. :(

[Crochety Carpenter]

please define the difference

[Hippie Staff]

Ok let's get detailed.

Regarding luxury tax on the yacht - I call B.S.

I went to a free yacht show here in San Diego two years ago. It was kind of scandalous. They made me take off my shoes, so I could pad around yachts that ranged from 500-2.5 million. From what I understand, there was a 10% tax levied on yachts over 100k. From the range of these mega-gross yachts, I can't see 50-or 250k, for that matter, affecting *this crowd*. For them, 250k on their 2.5 million yacht is just *the wife* deciding she doesn't like the cushion fabric and wants it all changed out to match her foofy dog.

The tax (for everything OVER 250k - not the first 250k) is not going to impact building, nor will it affect remodels. What is going to affect this industry for the next 5 years is 'the economy, stupid'. We're in a recession. Seniors, and those close to retirement, have seen their retirement accts. get halved. Again, this is thanks to the unregulated renegrade dirtbag traders and fund managers who are now on an Island laughing w/ stogey in hand. They could give two rat poops about anyone.

Ironically, the HIGH end housing market, those buying the mega-million homes is NOT affected. The rich are still rich. The rich can still afford to buy mega house #2, 3, 4. So, Crochety - if THIS is your market, I can promise you, you'll still be in biz.

However, due to the economy, which is a result of the CREDIT CRISIS - as it is right now - people are and will continue to lose their jobs. This is not a result of taxation of the rich.

Corportations will continue to safely jettison their multi-uber millions and billions offshore. Should they pay the extra 4% taxes (on the income they actually report before hiding it offshore)? Yes. It's about time THEY start to pay their fair share, because WE (the 95%) have been paying ours, and we're LONG overdue for some relief.

Are we ready to get into health care yet?

[Hippie Staff]

And Frog hit a good point..giving US (the 95%) relief..ANY relief will BOOST the economy, as we are the spenders and WE drive the economy. WE PROVIDE the jobs.

[Crochety Carpenter]

And its a line drive right back at the pitcher...Can he handel it???

First the yacht issue was an example of the unintended consequenses of the "sock them rech guys" attitude and you did not address where those yachts were built.

Absolutely those rich guys are going to buy what ever they want from where ever they can get it. That will never change.

You are right, two of the last 5 houses I built were for "rich" people and two others were summer homes for "rich" people but that was after the mid-range houses I used to build dried up due to the runnaway credit market fostered by Georgie's and the democrat congress's goal to artificially keep the economy going with easy credit. (get the impression that I don't like George Bush? you're right. Don't much care for McCain either.)

Credit crises? consider the following;
Fannie Mae is the Federal National Mortgage Association or FNMA. Established by the federal government in 1938, can anyone say FDR, to ensure that “primary lenders will always have money to lend and thus allow people a better opportunity to become homeowners.” Translation, “to facilitate the lending of money to noncredit worthy borrowers.” Socialist ideal: everyone has a right to a house even if they cannot afford to pay for one.
The Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC) (NYSE: FRE), commonly known as Freddie Mac, is a privately-owned and run government sponsored enterprise (GSE) of the United States federal government. (Wikipedia). According to its own web site its purpose is “Financing housing for low- and moderate-income families” Authorized by congress in 1970, can anyone say Tricky Dickey, to specifically focus on minorities, Freddie like Fannie, put other considerations above credit worthiness.
These, coupled with other liberal programs put credit in the hands of people who lacked the skill and or knowledge to manage it properly. With this abundance of buyers the housing market spiraled to the unrealistic heights it now occupies. The problem arises when builders have been loaned money they couldn’t afford to build houses the market can’t afford and the production of nonexistent money can’t keep up.
Enter the recently failed bailout. The conservatives, Republican and Democrat, said a resounding “NO”. No more fake money, no more rewarding bad lending practices, no more.
Socialist policies promoted by liberal politicians have brought us to this pass. For the first time since FDR it is time to try capitalist, conservative policies to get us out and it won’t be easy.

more to follow

[Savon]

My memory my be really bad on this (since i wasnt alive then) But i seem to recall the the house was in Republicaan control then. Couldnt they have shot down Fannie and Freddy if they felt like it. It seem like its not one party or the other at fault here but that everyone is.

please correct me if Im wrong.

[PEACE FROG]

...the answer lies in the repercussions of the Townshend Act of 1767, we ALL remember what a fiasco that was, can anyone say King George.....


Q: How did Ronald Reagan bust up the soviet union?
A: He broke their back in military spending.
George W did the same to us, spent us into a hole, a quagmire, in an endless war that stock market speculators could see no way out of. They are watching our military spending send our economy swirling down the drain like the last of the bath water. So by pulling out the first thing to falter would be charitable / social programs, because they are not really concerned with fiscal sense as much as they are helping folks out. So to avoid responsibility lets blame a program from 1938. (the same year my mom was born) Because, "can you say FDR", :smilie_sc a democrat nice job! WOW! you may have had to go to 1938 but ya found WALDO! Come on dear sir, you are not one of those "sidewalk to nowhere" neo-cons but aren't ya better than this?

[PEACE FROG]

BTW Carpenter I'm glad you are here. You're daughter is awesome I think you must be too!:D Peace

[Crochety Carpenter]

Are we having fun yet? :D

When a seed is planted it takes time to bear fruit so 1938 is an irrelevency. Like many of the disasters that FDR started (the Supreme Court for one. By the time he left office only one justice had any judicial experiance, the rest were social reconstructionists) the consequenses lay far down the line.

The Democrats had control of congress for over 30 years and, with the exception of Ronald Reagan and JFK, every president since FDR have only been marginally better than he was.

What we really need is for the constitutionalist party to gain control. Though I don't agree with their isolationalist policies they could reverse the inevitable decline of our once great country.

The fact is our country is toast reguardless of who gets elected so what do you see as coming next?

By the way, I am enjoying this and find you folks highly informative. Hope your blood presure hasn't gotten too high.;)

[Crochety Carpenter]

BTW Carpenter I'm glad you are here. You're daughter is awesome I think you must be too!:D Peace

Thanks. You posted that while I was writing. My incredible daughter is far more tactfull than I.:hippie:

[LIBRA]

By the way, I am enjoying this and find you folks highly informative. Hope your blood presure hasn't gotten too high

Me too! This is great!

You guys know your :kngt:
;)

[Savon]

im learning as much as i can from this lol.

[Crochety Carpenter]

Hey folks, I have been neglecting many things and am becoming addicted to this site. Even at that I have been unable to reply at the length that you folks deserve and are capable of on your end.
While I will still be around, I must limit meself to the ocational snyde remark and undocumented accusation of LIES!:D
I may occationally post some totaly off topic tirades (learned that from Forrest;)) in the midst of other topics but, in spite of inevitable withdrawals, I must reduce my posts. :bawl:
See you in the funnies. or maybe in the op-ed pages.:heff2:

[Crochety Carpenter]

WOW! I think you're yanking our chains carpenter. Why is it that it is okay to tax the middle class but if you tax the rich it is considered a redistribution of wealth? Are not my taxes a redistribution of my wealth? If we, the middle class are able to keep more of our hard earned buckeroos we will be buying cars, houses and durable goods ourselves. Thus stimulating the economy ourselves.
I could give a hoot about socialism, capitalism or any other "ism" for that matter. What I see is that the system in place is corrupted by greed and not working. What I see is a country sharply divided with hearts so hardened towards one another that we spin our wheels and are unable to accomplish even the simplest of tasks. What I see is while we are lamenting over yaught companies going out of business and our inability to fill up our SUVs at the pumps; people in the world are hungry and suffering and we could care less. What I see is a people who are so vain and so caught up in their own little dramas that the very planet we live upon is telling us we need to change the way that we are doing things but it is easier to hurl insults at each other and more profitable to look the other way.
So I say "render to Caesar what is his" and "if he wants your cloak give him your tunic as well". This is all temporal and we are a bunch of fleas arguing who owns the dog. :(

by the way. great post. I agree with most and really wish I had the time to elaborate.

[PEACE FROG]

It's not every day someone comes along that causes me to exclaim in a #4 font. So ya, try to stay away..... you won't be able to. We are under your skin and you love us. Soon you'll find yourself drawn to public radio and one day after relieving yourself by the roadside, before climbing back into your gas guzzler, you'll look over your shoulder both ways and seeing that the coast is clear you'll hug that tree. See ya friend, :heff2:

[Hippie Staff]

Crochety - are you still one of those guys that has a Ron Paul sign in his front yard?

[Crochety Carpenter]

Couldn't find one:D