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Gaston

11-04-2008, 08:37 PM

If you haven't see Obama's acceptance speech, by all means do. JFK, MLK, and Lincoln would be proud. So was I.

And kudos to John McCain for his timely, well-considered concession speech. Finally, we have the old John McCain back. That's good, too, because his help is needed in the Senate.

LIBRA

11-05-2008, 04:48 AM

I thought Id be up all night with excitement and I passed out on the couch lol I missed the speeches. Thankfully the internet will provide me all I slept through :D

Adam Blanchard

11-05-2008, 12:59 PM

YAY!!!! 3 cheers for the internet!! hahahaha

I did like Obama's acceptance speech. Didn't catch McCain's but I think he had it written about a month ago.

Gary Blanchard

11-05-2008, 03:50 PM

Both speeches werewell done. I think my son is right about when it was written. :D

I used to have a lot ofrespect for John McCain and I hated seeing him try to kiss up to the right-wing party bosses. Maybe he will return to greatness now that the election is over.

The scary thing is that Sarah Palin will probably have the inside track as the 2012 Republican candidate.

Adam Blanchard

11-05-2008, 09:21 PM

well... we can always hope that someone mistakes her for a wolf and accidentally pops a couple of rounds into her from a helicopter before 2012.

NCW_Woodnymph

11-05-2008, 09:26 PM

I'm just sad that now we won't see any more Tina Fey impressions. I swear she was better at being Palin than Palin was.:D

LIBRA

11-06-2008, 04:32 AM

Ya that makes me sad too, they were funny. Im sure its not over though, they cant stop at such a good thing!

And Adam thats just messed up... I may not like her or anything she stands for esp ariel hunting but I dont wish ill will towards her, well anythat would make her die ;)

Adam Blanchard

11-06-2008, 04:55 AM

lmao I'm sure one could survive being shot from a helecopter, I've heard of people getting shot by a .357 magnum and surviving before. :p

Gaston

11-06-2008, 08:34 AM

The scary thing is that Sarah Palin will probably have the inside track as the 2012 Republican candidate.

I think that now that they can speak freely, the McCain campaign insiders will permanently destroy any chance of that. Watch the news, it's already starting with the report that she spent far more than the $150,000 on clothes by asking/requiring campaign staff members to put purchases on their personal credit cards (they will be reimbursed, however, but it was an underhanded way to get around the budget the RNC gave her). One report I read said that the RNC agreed to pay for 3 ourfits for her, and one decent suit for hubby. She ended up spending $20-40k on him, and bought Gucci shoes for the kids.

Neiman-Marcus-gate is just starting, and there will be other issues.

Hippie Staff

11-06-2008, 11:59 AM

I just have to add this..because yes, after the election, now all the juicy tidbits come about about the campaigns.

Palin did not know Africa was a continent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-didnt-know-africa-i_n_141653.html

Adam Blanchard

11-07-2008, 04:47 AM

I think that is the least of her probliems with running for v.p., as my hero kieth Olbermann happily points out below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0w9PNN61Kg

Gaston

11-07-2008, 03:20 PM

I think Sarah Palin is a green tomato. When you let your kids pick the garden, sometimes they bring you a green tomato or two. When you look at them carefully and see they aren't fit to eat, what do you do? You fry them - which is exactly what the RNC is doing to Palin right now. ;)

PEACE FROG

11-09-2008, 10:31 AM

Very clever Gaston. And since they're frying her, they do not intend to pick her again? Or can she come back ripe?

LIBRA

11-10-2008, 11:18 AM

Ha ha great analogy Gaston!

PEACE FROG

11-12-2008, 06:21 AM

It's sad that it was the economy that motivated voters.... no mention of the war or the planet with any substance. Everything is permissible just don't mess with my money.......:(

Crochety Carpenter

11-12-2008, 07:46 AM

Froggy,
That's why any revolution shch as the one that started this country is impossible. Most people are only concerned with their comfort and the main thing required for that is money.

PEACE FROG

11-12-2008, 01:15 PM

I know Tom. How do we change that? Is it the "INDEPENDENCE DAY" type scenario, where it takes a really big common enemy to unite folks? We need to change that, one heart at a time I'd guess.

Adam Blanchard

11-12-2008, 03:34 PM

screw it.. let's just drop the whole money thing and go back to the barter system, maybe them people will appriciate what they have instead of wanting more and bigger and better things.

LIBRA

11-12-2008, 04:26 PM

PEACE FROG

11-12-2008, 06:18 PM

Thats something that has been bothering me too. All anyone talks about is money it makes you start to think like that. I shook that feeling recently. Life is so much more then money.
Not that I have ever revolved my life around it but its pretty darn hard not too these days when things are triple what they used to be.

Simpler times ahead, and its for the best. I hope the focus will shift to saving lives not saving dollars.
Bravo! The only way, I think, would be to either separate from everyone in a commune type lifestyle. Or when the rest of the world gets tired of us and humbles us all to living within our means. We find somewhere inside ourselves the gumption to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps as did our forefathers and give it all another try. This time without the corrupting greed of capitalism, the pious hypocrisy of the Religious right and Republican's will be as relevant as the Wigg party. Bright, shinny, healthy, happy people, loving learning and living.....can I get an AMEN?:62:

Taurus

11-12-2008, 06:24 PM

Thats something that has been bothering me too. All anyone talks about is money it makes you start to think like that. I shook that feeling recently. Life is so much more then money.
Not that I have ever revolved my life around it but its pretty darn hard not too these days when things are triple what they used to be.

Simpler times ahead, and its for the best. I hope the focus will shift to saving lives not saving dollars.

Well put, Libra. Has anyone seen PBS's Affluenza? They did a two parter, in the 90's I think. A friend in Seattle made me a copy. In it they make the remark how people make more and have more but are less happy and satisfied with what they have. People buy all this stuff, then store it away in garages or rental spaces, or it ends up in the dump.

I like the barter system - have done it a number of times in the past. Also like what they did in Ithica, NY - making their own Ithica dollars. Some other places have created their own currancy too. The "dollars" used as partial payment for things.

Crochety Carpenter

11-12-2008, 09:39 PM

LIBRA

11-13-2008, 04:43 AM

Well put, Libra. Has anyone seen PBS's Affluenza? They did a two parter, in the 90's I think. A friend in Seattle made me a copy. In it they make the remark how people make more and have more but are less happy and satisfied with what they have. People buy all this stuff, then store it away in garages or rental spaces, or it ends up in the dump.

I like the barter system - have done it a number of times in the past. Also like what they did in Ithica, NY - making their own Ithica dollars. Some other places have created their own currancy too. The "dollars" used as partial payment for things.

Ive never heard of Ithaca dollars? I live near there. LOVE it too. Its way to expensive to live there though. Taxes are nuts.

We barter alot were I work and its great. I barter with friends as much as possible. Esp some guy friends. Fix some stuff around my house that I cant and I will cook up a bunch of dinners for them or do some gardening etc...

If we all dropped the mentality that its a "nice thought" or dream and put our words into actions then alot more would change for the better.

LIBRA

11-13-2008, 04:48 AM

http://www.ithacahours.org/

Wow so cool!!! Thanks Taurus! funny how someone across the country knows more about a town that I live so close too,lol

Taurus

11-13-2008, 05:54 AM

http://www.ithacahours.org/

Wow so cool!!! Thanks Taurus! funny how someone across the country knows more about a town that I live so close too,lol

I read about Ithica dollars in Mother Earth News then checked out their site. Really like the concept, wish it would catch on more. They even have, or had?, a medical insurance system set up. They took their dream and made it a reality.

LIBRA

11-13-2008, 06:01 AM

They took their dream and made it a reality

That to me is what America is and should be all about.

Ya I was reading about it and I dont think is as sucessful as it could be but hopefully they keep at it and it grows bigger and bigger! They gave a great food co-op there and I love it best grocery store ever, I usually save up and go there every couple months to stock up.

Mother Earth news is the best, some one on freecycle offered issues 1-100 and I missed getting them but a little bit, I was so bummed!

PEACE FROG

11-13-2008, 06:08 AM

I've seen the Affluenza program, they broadcast this program occasionally on http://www.linktv.org/ plus many many other very important programs. Check it out!!!!

Taurus

11-13-2008, 06:28 AM

That to me is what America is and should be all about.

Mother Earth news is the best, some one on freecycle offered issues 1-100 and I missed getting them but a little bit, I was so bummed!

I started getting Mother Earth when it first came out; saved the issues for years then they got water damaged and the whole lot was lost.:bawl:

LIBRA

11-13-2008, 06:51 AM

That is a bummer!!! You can get them on disc now.

My dad used to have every issue from 70 on through but he cant find them, thinks my mom got rid of them. :bawl:

Shydog

11-13-2008, 05:13 PM

If only wishes made it so. Unfortunately selfishness is the natural state of mankind. True communalism can only work in a totally unselfish environment. Someone will always want to control someone else. Someone will always want to sit around on their ass and expect others to take care of them. Someone will always try to force generosity on those who want to be left alone. The one willing to use force will always win unless someone of superior force gets in their way. History proves this.:(
Nice dream though.:hippie: Hu-meaning divine, Man-meaning mortal. Can we really call ourselvs divine mortals?

I suppose our commune will include a warriors society, artists, politicians, traders...we will all be there... based on "what can I be?"
not what can I have... a simple change in outlook changes our world. We have a mandate for change, all we have to do is change our minds 'en mass... so who won the big game Sunday?

Crochety Carpenter

11-13-2008, 06:41 PM

Hu-meaning divine, Man-meaning mortal. Can we really call ourselvs divine mortals?

I suppose our commune will include a warriors society, artists, politicians, traders...we will all be there... based on "what can I be?"
not what can I have... a simple change in outlook changes our world. We have a mandate for change, all we have to do is change our minds 'en mass... so who won the big game Sunday?

That's the big problem..."en mass". We are intrinsicly individualls, even if you pull off a majority, what do you do with the rest? Encarcerate them? Torture them inquisition style untill they "convert"? Kill them? Sorry but "peace vibes" haven't stopped a war yet. The closest we came to that was Gahndi and he and others paid an enormose price to just win independance from the Brits and that was just the start of the strugle for peace that still goes on today.

PEACE FROG

11-13-2008, 09:07 PM

Sorry but "peace vibes" haven't stopped a war yet.

Tom, Dude, you need to get laid or something.
Shydog I loved your post!

Crochety Carpenter

11-14-2008, 01:06 AM

What?!? You don't like Gahndi? Or is it the spelling?:hippie:

PEACE FROG

11-14-2008, 06:51 AM

Passive resistance is cool. Spelling is fine. We the U.S. are the aggressors the bullies. So I don't know why we act like we are having trouble deciding what color to paint the living room. It's not just a slight difference of opinion. We have; half a country that wants peace and the other half that wants war. Even the war half is divided, it seems, between colonial conquest and just kill all the scary dark men. We have no right to try to establish democracy anywhere! I have stated before; we need to stop looking at other cultures as broken versions of ourselves. As SHYDOG pointed out, we are running out of resources. We are also polluting our planet faster than it can recover. We need to put down the guns and stop fighting and find a solution. We are unwilling however to consider anything that slows our consumerism because America has constructed false Idols called corporations. We break our necks to keep them in place. To stay under them. We go to war for them. We count on them to provide for us. And the funny thing is we do it quite often in the name of God who warned us about doing this.....

LIBRA

11-14-2008, 07:25 AM

:33: Right on Ed!!!!!!!

Adam Blanchard

11-14-2008, 09:44 AM

hahaha oh mighty golden arches of the fast food industry... may our fries never rot and our burgers turn to liquid after a few months... an ronalds name... would you like that super sized?

Shydog

11-14-2008, 03:11 PM

That's the big problem..."en mass". We are intrinsicly individualls, even if you pull off a majority, what do you do with the rest? Encarcerate them? Torture them inquisition style untill they "convert"? Kill them? Sorry but "peace vibes" haven't stopped a war yet. The closest we came to that was Gahndi and he and others paid an enormose price to just win independance from the Brits and that was just the start of the strugle for peace that still goes on today. Thanks Frog I get lucky sometimes.

70,000 people fill each stadium every Sunday, their minds are in a controled focus. We don't have to torture or incarerate. We must win the minds. The media is a powerful and hypnotising tool, it can be used to steer the herd in watever direction, time for change.

PEACE FROG

11-14-2008, 05:31 PM

Adam Blanchard

11-14-2008, 05:34 PM

survival of the fittest has become survival of connections.. it isn't striength that helps you survive anymore.. it's who you know.

PEACE FROG

11-14-2008, 05:36 PM

I know Adam. To me that was a funny joke though.

Crochety Carpenter

11-15-2008, 05:50 AM

Shydog you are spot on. Hey dude, isn't it too bad that the right doesn't believe in evolution? If they did, they wouldn't allow the government to bail out failing corporations with our tax dollars. They would instead just allow the stronger better corporations to devour them.:D

I believe that's known as capitalism and the conservatives in congress were the ones fighting all the bail outs.:heff2:

Shydog

11-15-2008, 03:37 PM

For me it's like the chicken and the egg - does creation evolve?...or does evolution create?...

Crochety Carpenter

11-15-2008, 07:32 PM

Evolution, as in one thing becoming another, doesn't happen and never has....
on second thought I've caused enough trouble lately. :hippie:

Shydog

11-17-2008, 04:12 AM

Evolution, as in one thing becoming another, doesn't happen and never has....
on second thought I've caused enough trouble lately. :hippie:
I believe in Creation. I accept that miracles are real.

God said let there be light and there was light.

God said, "primordial soup evolve."

Evolution is a way of Creating.

Creation is possible only with Goddess and God.

The Earth is my Mother.

Adam Blanchard

11-17-2008, 04:54 AM

I'm still trying to figure out where the dinosaurs and first ice age fit into the bible.. I never could get a priest to answer that one for me.

LIBRA

11-17-2008, 05:14 AM

Evolution, as in one thing becoming another, doesn't happen and never has....
on second thought I've caused enough trouble lately. :hippie:

Oh come on do tell. Why dont you believe in evolution?

Did we walk the earth with dinosaurs too? :D

Crochety Carpenter

11-17-2008, 05:29 AM

Are you sure?

LIBRA

11-17-2008, 07:40 AM

I wont get mad. If thats what you mean. You believe what you believe, as do I.
I may think your whacky but I already do, so?? ;)

We all need to find a way to display our thoughts so that its not irrate to another. I will try if you do.

So go ahead and I wont bash to hard :D

Graehstone

11-17-2008, 08:13 AM

Evolution, as in one thing becoming another, doesn't happen and never has....

Really? What does a caterpillar do to become a butterfly? :hippie:

Shydog

11-17-2008, 04:47 PM

They eat up a bunch of vegitation, get real fat, some get eaten by predators others spin a cocoon, when inside they undergo a miraculous transformation into a butterfly.

Then the butterfly lays more eggs for more caterpillars to eat my cabbage. I don't mind sharing some, just looking for balance.

Crochety Carpenter

11-17-2008, 11:23 PM

Ok, here's some random bits.

The progression of butterfly to egg to catapillar to cocoon to butterfly, though fascinating and a refutation of evolution, has nothing to do with evolution per se.

Science first, spontaneous generation has been conclusively disproven. Cannot happen no matter how it is tried. "Tried" being the opperative word. Intelligence combining all of the right chemicals in the right way at every imaginable temperature, atmosphere, and energy impulse has failed to accomplish life so what makes us think its going to happen randomly.

Second, let's say by pure, rediculous, dumbluck chance DNA forms. The one commonality that all life has is DNA. You get a chunk of DNA that doesn't belong to anything, its useless unless it's contained in a cell.

Third, when DNA mutates it loses data. Scientifically proven. If the cell doesn't have the genetic info for a foot it can't grow one. If there is no eye it can't make one. Further, DNA has been forund to be a digital code that requires programing but is self correcting. Starting from a single cell DNA knows exactly when to stop identicaly reproducing and start differenciating into specific tissues, structures, and organs.

Inspite of all the untold billions of years they keep comming up with these facts do not change and the evolutionary theory should begin "Once uppon a time a long time ago...":D

LIBRA

11-18-2008, 04:29 AM

What I dont understand is that god create everything? Even life before his own? I really need to read the bible. I see theres a few different versions, which one is the best or most accurate? Ive read some of the bible, I grew up baptist. But when the preacher told me that there was no room in heaven for my brothers bird that died, he ruined church for me. Then told us Santa was a sham in sunday school and our parents were liars. I never went again and my mom never made me. Lets just say I became very bitter about church and anything I may have learned is long gone.

I do however believe in god, the story of. I just cant see how people who need so much scientific evidence of everything can think a man said, poof, heres a woman, poof heres a man, dont eat the apple. And now I menstrate because Eve didnt obey? I dunno, seems hard to believe. Seems magical but yet christians dont believe in magic? Parting of the red sea?

I guess its all about faith.

Crochety Carpenter

11-18-2008, 06:24 AM

Getting ahead of me there. I'm not even talking about God or the bible yet(btw, New King James is probably best. don't worry about "oldest manuscripts" long subject,). I'm just saying that evolution doesn't work scientificly.

Think about it, for a mutation to survive and propagate you would have to have multiple simultaneous mutations in the same specie. Talk about magical thinking.

Yes it's faith but it's logical too. Take a personality who is capable of creating all that we observe he would vastly beyond anything we can immagine so it would be up to him to reveal himself to us in a way that we can understand.