Tainted teet

[PEACE FROG]

I drink soy instead of milk, my boy wont touch it unless its in a smoothie. Anyways my wife who is trying to do what she can to feed us healthy. Has been buying that "certified ORGANIC" milk which suposedly is natural, no hormones, steroids, antibiotics, not factory farmed. So no % of Puss, fecal matter or urine is to be found. Well the other day she comes home with regular ole' 2% low fat. Why? Cuz she said its 7 dollars for a half gallon of the organic. It seems it has become trendy to buy organic, green, natural, eco-friendly. So trendy costs $$$$$. But why should healthy cost more? Is it too much trouble not to crap in my food? Any Ideas?

[Pedata]

Ouch$$$ Yeah, organic is much higher. Kind of like low salt.


Peace,
Cassandra

[treehugger]

geesh...at those kind of prices..I'd get my own milk cow and feed it organic!

This in a way relates to my other thread about bamboo...it seems like there's some price gouging going on there.

Economics says "supply and demand"..but I say "greed".

Kath

[LIBRA]

I agree completly I get so fustrated when I go grocery shopping and everything organic is 3times the price of crap filled with preservatives and chemicals you'd think it cost more to add all that crap in your food but no to eat healthy and green in can be expensive, I buy my son the organic cereals and snacks,buckwheat pancake mix stuff like that and he eats like a horse!!
its killing my so called budget, but at least it wont be killing us!! that is untill next year when they claim organic is bad, every year its dont eat this dont take that its bad the next year its good for ya and visa versa go figure, thats why I dont listen to them!!!

[theREALsun]

Economics says "supply and demand"..but I say "greed".

tis unfortunate, right?

i guess i should be lucky i am feeding only me
and sometimes i struggle to do that.....

sigh

[mountain_mama]

With my husbands dietary needs we HAVE to eat organic. It is not even a choice anymore for us and man is it hard on our wallets! I drive over an hour to get to Trader Joes because the cost of organic grocieries is so much cheaper than at the regular supermarket. For example, a 1/2 gallon of organic milk at the regular store costs 3.99; however, a GALLON of organic milk at trader joes costs 5.99. Still not great considering a regular stinky hormone and antibiotic filled gallon of milk costs 2 for 4.89 at the grocery store. It blows my mind...a bag of organic baby greens 1.99 at trader joes exact same thing at grocery store is 3.99.It hurts when I can't make the drive :(

It's just a rock and a hard spot!

[BandAide]

Let me tell you, there is NO WAY IN HELL I am putting regular old dairy in my pregnant body or in my baby's body (my husband can eat whatever he wants! :) )

We budget money for groceries every two weeks and I buy generic in lots of things... but I buy organic dairy ALWAYS. And then, if I have a little money left over, I buy rice milk too! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

But, I feel your pain.

Where it often gets me is in the produce isle. I'm often unable to buy organic produce because it is sooooooo much more expensive. Especially the avacados. Man, oh man, you have to be a millionaire to afford some guacamole these days! ;) ;)

[NeverNeverLand:)]

Alway´s been a milkoholic:)
An it´s real milk no copycat remakes.
A cow is good at feeding people when it´s living an dead:)

[Pedata]

Mooooooooooo. I've got to have the real stuff. The body can handle a bit of poop. Amazing thing, the body.


Peace,
Cassandra

[PEACE FROG]

Okay but where does in end? We have allowances for fecal matter, rodent hair, insects, and all kinds of crap. Who decides, I wonder, what is acceptable levels and what and where is he eating? I just think, if it is possible to produce "healthy food", "clean food", then why isnt all food "CLEAN AND HEALTHY". There shouldnt be two kinds!!! :mad: So it might be safe to surmise that if you have alot of money you can afford food and you can buy food. But if you're poor, BRING YOUR OWN SHOVEL TO THE KILLING FLOOR!!!

[nappydread]

Hey peace_frog!...
...Who decides, I wonder, what is acceptable levels and what and where is he eating? I just think, if it is possible to produce "healthy food", "clean food", then why isnt all food "CLEAN AND HEALTHY". There shouldnt be two kinds!!!..
...i think your answer lies in the USDA. They are in bed with the handful of transnational food, chemical and biotech corporations that dominate global agriculture. Its a bit outdated but here is rather long link relating to "Organic - The corruption of a label".
http://www.purefood.org/Organic/orgvsorg.htm

In summary:

Why is organic food consumption growing so rapidly, not only in the US, but
in the rest of the industrialized world? Of course the answer is the
increasing concern over food safety. The handful of transnational food,
chemical, and biotech corporations who dominate world agriculture from
field to plate are increasingly offering food that is artificial,
contaminated, and adulterated. Large-scale agribusiness views the organic
market as a genuine threat to maximizing profits. Their global game plan is
to drive several billion "inefficient" small and medium-sized farmers and
peasants from the land, replace these family farmers with high-tech
chemical and biotech food factories, and then serve up these factory farm
food consumables to a mass of indoctrinated and corporatized consumers.

food for thought i guess...

peace

[1_LoVinVibe]

If you want to be well and feel well, you have to eat well. I know a lot of people have a complex with getting government help.. but I've been told it's really easy to get food stamps.. a lot of stores take them these days (including trader joe's.. for all who have one..) and even though most stores that accept them are mainstream supermarkets selling organics distributed by major greedy coporations, they're still organic. And if you've come down to the point where you can only afford to buy preservative loaded, chemical added, genetically modified food.... then what are you really risking??

I highly recommend reading "Seeds of Deception" by Jeffrey M. Smith.... you'll never want to eat anything but organic ever again!

[PEACE FROG]

WTF? So what are you saying? Shut up, go on wellfare and eat shit? The point is: (missed) Why have two grades of food? Why should healthy food only be accessable to rich folks? I don't think it has to be that way. Because if we (the people) quit eating the synthesized adulterated CRAP that corperations are putting on the shelves and calling food, and insisted on a reasonably priced alernative. It would create a market for homegrown, or home-town grown, foods. I think that that would breathe new life into the American small community farms. You see corperations can't wait to naturally produce anything, it has to be mass produced cheaply and be able to be stored for as long as possible. Now if organic was all anyone would eat.... cant you see that goods would have to be produced locally. Local farms would sprout up everywhere, farms run by honest people, not a corperate bottom line or by someone getting creative with the term "organic". So what are we risking? Everything!!! BTW thanks for the reading suggestion, I'll check it out. :)

[1_LoVinVibe]

i couldn't agree with you MORE... trust me... sorry, if my suggestion about gov't help came across wrong... I'm just saying until the system can change, there are ways around the money issue.... or you can go straight to the local farms. I worked on an small organic farm out in WA ... and it's upsetting how much people DON'T support the local farms in the larger part of the US... they're there so the local community can eat well. and i totally agree with you, the small local farms need to RISE... they have the will to, but it's all in the hands of the people, the consumers. When the majority of people start to realize this and actually begin to care about what these major corporations are doing to harm the honest workers, there will be a great revolution. when will it happen?? it's a question that haunts me every day. GMOs, mass produced food, and yep, all the CRAP needs to be obliterated... its so incredibly frustrating, and sometimes discouraging at how much needs to be changed.
Another way around having to spend heap loads of money, is to grow your own food... have your own garden and support the self-sufficient movement

[PEACE FROG]

Uh... I probably should'nt respond to posts before my first cup of Organicl grown free-trade coffee! HeeHee! You 'n me be mates!

[1_LoVinVibe]

its all good :D

[mamasharones]

It costs more because it spoils faster and a lot of waste is made.

The stuff you buy at the store that's not organic is okay too. THe preservatives and "chemicals" aren't bad for you. Sure it may have some effects on your body but no more than you normally have. Don't get me wrong.... I'm sipping on some organic carrot juice (that tastes mighty good) but no way in hell I would go out of my way to make sure i have it. ($2 for 14oz bottle).

people just think that they're getting something "fresher" or "cleaner" with organic but really you can't be sure unless you grow it yourself

[nappydread]

...The stuff you buy at the store that's not organic is okay too. THe preservatives and "chemicals" aren't bad for you. Sure it may have some effects on your body but no more than you normally have....

i'll have to disagree with this...esp. when talking about the insane amounts of pesticides used in today's society...and the long-term health effects these pose to humans and animals...

http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/node/view/153

By definition, pesticides are chemical substances used to kill animal, insect, plant and fungal pests in agricultural, domestic and institutional settings. Do they kill? They absolutely do, and more than just pests. The World Health Organization estimates that 200,000 people die every year worldwide from pesticide poisonings, with three million such poisonings annually. Acute poisonings do not tell the entire picture, as ominous as those numbers are on their own. Pesticide exposure can cause many different health effects, from acute problems such as skin rashes and asthma attacks, to chronic problems such as emphysema and cancer. The end points of lethality and cancer, as used in animal studies for regulatory purposes, grossly underestimate the formidable cost to human health

i like this tho...
people just think that they're getting something "fresher" or "cleaner" with organic but really you can't be sure unless you grow it yourself
...always grow your own EVERYTHING!!!!!:bandit:

and peace_frog!...2 grades of food isn't so bad when you think about it:D
it provides choice in the marketplace...like Spam versus Ham!
Similar to Wal-mart, the large high-tech farms rule the market and are constantly pushing out the small organic mom & pop operations....

peace

[1_LoVinVibe]

..touché to nappy's response!
also i strongly agree about growing your own food.. its truly the best way to go!

and also... most of those chemically produced, and preserved food that you don't think is too harmful for you, have also been genetically engineered.. and there's no law saying that they need to label it... making anyone who's not checking ingredients at risk for even larger health issues :eek:
Chances are you have already eaten Genetically Engineered (GE) ingredients. Without warning or notice you have been included in a dangerous experiment on our food.

Thousands of products on the shelves of your local supermarket contain GE ingredients ö foods from crops that have not evolved in any natural environment, from crops that have never before been part of the human diet.

Look at the ingredient list on any of the packaged foods in the supermarket. You are almost certain to find ingredients made from corn, soy, canola or cottonseed oil. These ingredients commonly come from plants that have been genetically altered and are being grown on millions of acres in the United States. For example, soy ingredients like lecithin, soy oil, and soy protein are found in 60- to 70 percent of all processed foods.

Yet you won't find "genetically engineered" on the label of any products containing GE ingredients. The supermarkets don't want you to know that their products are an experiment unique in human history ö an experiment that doctors and scientists around the world are warning may not be safe.

What A Genetically Engineered Plant Contains

Plants are never modified by adding just one foreign gene. A whole "DNA construct" made up of DNA from different sources is shot into the plant. In the case of Monsanto's "Roundup Ready" soybeans that are genetically modified to become resistant to the herbicide glyphosate, the gene construct consists at least of the following:

-DNA originally from the bacterium Agrobacterium, now synthetically produced, for herbicide resistance.
-DNA from the cauliflower mosaic virus that regulates the expression of the herbicide-resistance gene.
-DNA from the petunia to move the gene product to the chloroplasts (so that the herbicide-resistance gene will be adequately expressed in the leaves, which are the main target of the herbicide).
-DNA from a bacterium (Agrobacterium tumefaciens) to regulate the production of the enzyme needed for herbicide-resistance.
-DNA from a fecal Streptococcus bacterium to make the plant antibiotic resistance. It is used as a "marker" gene to help scientists identify which plants have been genetically transformed in an experiment.
-A circular strand of DNA (called a plasmid) from a bacterium.

something else interesting...
Antibiotic Resistance: The rise of diseases that are resistant to treatment with common antibiotics is already a serious medical concern. Doctors warn that the current use of antibiotic resistance genes in GE crops may add to this risk.

hmmm.... interesting because i grew up eating whatever was around.. not paying attention, and more than likely ingesting tons of GE food... i was diagnosed with lyme disease a few years ago, and antibiotics have not helped. i guess i'm just a proving statistic :o

here are a few guidlines for avoiding GE foods while grocery shopping...
http://www.saynotogmos.org/shop.pdf

[~*~daisyhemp~*~]

about the avocados....sprouts is awesome, they have avocados for like 89 cents each which is amazing....but they are only in arizona i think...

[Dusk]

I too used to kevetch about the price of organic but then I saw this quote:
"The price of one chemical and hormone induced cancer quickly eats up a lifetime of savings from eating cheap food."

After I saw that I figured it was cheaper in the long run. :)

[MissD]

ya good one, never though of it that way!!!

[~*~daisyhemp~*~]

what an amazing quote!!!

[Dead Fan]

Anybody ever notice how small organic carrots are?